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Vatican rentboy and satanism claims revealed by priest

 

383475(IBTimes) Italian investigators have opened an inquiry into claims by a convicted pedophile priest that an underage prostitution ring has been operating inside the Holy Roman Church with clergymen hiring rentboys for sex inside churches.

Don Patrizio Poggi, 46, told Italian authorities that a former Carabinieri pimped boys for nine clergymen.

Poggi, who served a five-year sentence for abusing teenage boys while he was a parish priest at the San Filippo Neri church in Rome, said he made the allegations to “protect the Holy Church and the Christian community.”

The boys were chosen because they were starving and desperate, he claimed, according to Il Messaggero newspaper.

The former policeman used to recruit the boys, mostly eastern European immigrants, outside a gay bar named Twink near Rome’s Termini train station. He reportedly sat in his Fiat Panda – marked “Emergency Blood” to avoid parking fines – to make his selection.

He was helped in the recruitment process by a friend who ran a modelling agency. He lured underage boys into prostitution through “false work offers for modelling and acting roles”, Poggi said.

The agent also looked for rentboys at gay discos, saunas and gyms across Rome. An accountant was also said to be involved.

The boys were paid €150-€500 (£130-£425) to perform sex acts in church premises across the capital.

Poggi also accused the former Carabinieri of selling consecrated hosts for satanic rites.

Poggi reportedly presented documentary and photographic evidence to police in the company of two senior Vatican clergymen who vouched for his credibility.

Poggi identified the nine clergymen, including two senior church officials and a religion lecturer. Three people have been placed under formal investigation.

The allegations were rejected by the Vatican. Cardinal Agostino Vallini, head of the Catholic Vicariate of Rome, said the priest made false claims out of a desire for vengeance and personal resentment.

The Vatican refused to reinstate Poggi after he served his term.

“The cardinal expresses his full confidence in the magistracy and declares himself full convinced that this slander will be demolished, demonstrating Poggi’s claims to be untrue,” Vallini said.

“God will hold everyone accountable for their deeds.”

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  12. Donald says:

    Is it not wrong to have sex with children? Is it not wrong to be a clergyman and give into lustful temptations? Is it not especially wrong to have gay sex with another human being? I’m no catholic but from what I know from my religion it is. These clergymen hide behind their wall, claiming to be ordained by God to do his will. This is not God’s will. No matter how many confessions you give you cannot be saved from your crimes. These clergymen will burn in the fire. They will not be welcome in God’s Kingdom. All who are hiding and all who help to hide the hidden, listen well. You will not escape God’s justice. You will be punished for your crimes. When Jesus returns and takes his congregation, you shall be left behind to suffer just as you made those boys suffer. You disgusting creatures of satan.

    • Ann (WOC) says:

      Donald, no person is without redemption; God’s mercy is as great as God’s justice. Irrespective of your denomination, I refer you to the ministry of Jesus. Even from the cross he forgave the sinners who put him there! What an example. Pray for these clergymen; your condemnation is not Christian.

    • Jack says:

      It’s abhorrent that you think gay sex is a bigger sin than pedophilia.

  13. Tony says:

    One of the worst stories about priests and the Vatican I have ever read. I don’t want it to be true.

  14. time to change your rules for priests to get married. and if this does not solve the problem, maybe it’s time to bring in the WOMEN. WHY CAN’T WOMEN BE PRIESTS??? SOUNDS KIND OF SEXIST TO ME. LIKE A CULT!

    • Matt F says:

      Seriously you read this and your first thought is “let priests marry” ? Really ? I mean REALLY?!?!?

      These are priests who swore a vow to there god. If they can’t keep it out of childrens butts because they can’t marry they have bigger problems and so does the church.

    • Ann (WOC) says:

      You’re right Gayle.

  15. Don says:

    “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?
    Jeremiah 17

  16. Elizabeth says:

    I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THIS CRAP! PEOPLE WILL SAY ANYTHING TO DESTORY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH…satan AND HIS KIDS ARE LIARS!

    • Concerned says:

      Elizabeth, that is exactly the attitude that is destroying the Church – people who refuse to acknowledge the horrible things done by those in power. You turn a blind eye to the wicked deeds of those you want to trust. The evil acts will not necessarily kill the church, but indifference will kill it. Even if only half the things are true, we can not afford to simply look the other way or deny that they exist. Evil’s greatest ally is indifference.

    • u are brainwashed by the church. i am a convert. but they could never brainwash me. i saw a lot of stuff i questioned. and i quit going because of a Evil Priest.

  17. Deus_Ex_Gf says:

    No more religion and autist atheists. kthxbye

  18. Dianora Eseryn says:

    “..man will never truly be free, until the last king is stangled with the entrails of the last priest..” Napoleon

  19. FLYINGSPAHGETTIMONSTER says:

    The best cover-up is a facade of immaculateness. You can only claim for so long that these people wouldn’t do this because they’re “men of God.” I hope the world will wake up from this fairytale god illusion soon.

    • Rainouart says:

      Dear Flying Spaghetti-for-Brains, how do you know it’s an illusion? Is “science” supposed to have “proved” it? Which equation? Could it be E=mc2 or F=ma? These are the actual results of experimental science, and they have nothing to say about whether God exists or not. What does one call someone like you who has blind faith in a cartoon version of science? It would be an insult to the children who love Bugs Bunny to say they are no smarter than you.

      • Hey uhhhh says:

        It’s all devil worship you praise a son which is a another word for sun which is light which is Lucifer title light bringer duuuuur. We live in a world where the truth is right in front of us and everyone ignores it lol

        • cosmic says:

          You got that idea from Zeitgeist i’m guessing. The problem with the son=sun thing is that it was originally written in another language. In english you can make the connection, but that wasn’t the case originally.

      • GoodWithoutGod says:

        Religions are making the ‘god’ claim. Science is just saying ‘prove it’. Science doesn’t have to disprove religious claims. The onus is on the person making the claim.

        Faith is just believing in the ‘absence of evidence’. So which god have you put your faith into anyway?

    • Noble Luke says:

      Agreed. Though I do think it’s more about the “Godly” illusion than the “God” illusion

    • Bob says:

      We are all are human. The Catholic church is the first to point out its employees are just as vulnerable as anyone else. belief in God is equally valid to non belief.

  20. andrew says:

    what are the two greatest commandments? they are ; love God with thy whole heart, thy whole mind, and thy whole soul.
    love thy neighbor as thyself.
    those two things are the governor of our beings. when you step outside these boundaries, you have hurt someone. wether its immediate or not, you have. marry once, and dont have premarital sex. divorce hurts people around you, its your children friends and family. when you have sex before marriage, you might not marry that person who put so much heart into you that the other was going to marry just you and probably be happy forever. having children outside of marriage, having a child grow up without proper role models. lying, cheating, pedophelia all hurt someone. i was the victim of a sexual predator myself, when i was eight years old. he was a homosexual fulfilling his desires on me. i didnt understand, and i am scarred everyday of my life by it. you cant trust a person who is with someone who they are attracted to. thats how rape, incest, early teenage pregnancy, and sexual scars happen. the passing around of terrible diseases to others who dont understand what is happening. these are the things the Church teaches. the Church and the vatican are two different things. the Church is the teachings, the vatican is supposed to be the teacher. the lessons are supposed to never change. that way we could know when we heard the truth over the lies. i follow the Church, and i research what the Church is. people will fail, the teachings will not.

    • Rainouart says:

      AMEN.

      This is the best posting about the topic that I have ever seen on any site. By far!

      May Jesus love you and have mercy on you and everyone in the same situation, this is where it is deserved, if anywhere on earth.

  21. KL says:

    Can we just rid the world of all religion? That’d be fantastic.

    • Saul Kronenwetter says:

      Amen brother, AMEN! The historical record of all religions is both tragic and pitiful.

    • Bob says:

      It is pretty arrogant to assume the world would be better. The historic record of humanist states is no better then the worst religious excesses.

  22. Marge says:

    These”men” are pedophiles, pedophiles can be found in both heterosexuals and homosexuals.

    • yup says:

      Sorry, they only touched boys. They are homosexuals.

    • Russel Hobbs says:

      Most paedophiles are non-partisan where gender is concerned. They are not homosexual, because their primary focus of sexual arousal isn’t other men/males. They’re not hetero either, because it’s not anything specifically female that arouses them. They are Paedophiles, and only aroused by pre-pubescent children. Of either gender. Just because many paedophiles marry, as a cover for their real desires. That doesn’t make him hetero. It makes him a married paedophile. The relevant factor being sex with children.

  23. TheDude says:

    Is anyone surprised by this? When you have a religion that condemns the naturalness of sex for these priests who are then surrounded by little boys all day, I’m frankly not surprised. I don’t blame the men, I blame the church. If you don’t follow their rules you apparently burn in hell, motivation enough to find loopholes and have sex with boys.

    • Rob says:

      You don’t blame the men? Um, there are plenty of priests who don’t abuse little kids. The only person at fault here is the men.

    • cosmic says:

      You don’t blame the men? There should never be enough motivation to have sex with little boys. We are humans, not animals. Yes we have urges but we also have a mind and willpower not to act on them.

  24. robet weld says:

    up the pulpit

  25. FoxtrotUniformCharlieKilo says:

    Gross, dude.

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  27. truth says:

    Christ was not first in the lives of these clerics. Pope Francis has said priests should not be careerists. A very sad state of affairs that is in society. Pedophilia, pornagraphy,
    bestiality, lesbianism, homosexuality, marital infidelity,and the saga goes on.
    Pray and fast

  28. editor says:

    To our CathNewsUSA readers: we have decided to remove the comments from a few readers who were attempting to justify pedophile attractions as long as someone doesn’t act on them. We appreciate vigorous debate and an open, compassionate dialog at CathNewsUSA but we felt these comments crossed the line. -ed

  29. yup says:

    100% of the “priests” that abused boys are homosexual.

    • Ryan says:

      Pedophilia and homosexuality are two completely different things.

      • Keith Hill says:

        I concur, but if a pedophile is having sex with a boy, he is also a homosexual.

        Of course not all homosexuals are pedophiles.

        • npppdmmm says:

          No, homosexuality is an attraction to adults/people your own age of the same sex. Pedophilia is an attraction to children. They are very different. Take Jerry Sandusky. Married to a woman for decades with children but also a pedophile who molested boys.

          • Natalie says:

            Also, many pedophiles don’t ONLY stick to one gender. They often prey on children who can be manipulated easily – boy or girl.

          • cosmic says:

            You are wrong. Every definition of homosexuality that i can find says sexual attraction to the same sex/gender. Nothing about age.

          • Russel Hobbs says:

            Thats like saying if a rapist rapes another man, it’s not rape,, because they were both homos. If the rapist is married to a woman, but only puts the rape to men, then he’s not committing a sexually genrefied act at all. Sort of more like just stabbing hm with a blunt knife, made from penis.

        • David says:

          abuse is about power – not sex. men who abuse boys are not homosexual by that act. long been documented

          • Rainouart says:

            “Documented” by whom? Heterophobic apologists? You don’t even know. What a Politically Corrupt little goosestepping windup toy you are. Sexual abuse is about sexual desire first and foremost, otherwise sexuality needn’t come into the picture — a thousand and one non-sexual ways exist to exert power (duh). On the other hand, the depraved heart that homosexual perversion leads to will grease the skids for other, even worse perversions. That is the universal experience of all times and all places talking.

            • dewitkate says:

              Sexual abuse is mainly about power. Whether it’s power over an under-aged child or power over a helpless woman, it’s all rape and it’s all about power. Most pedophiles are actually straight men and normally married. So many times, you will see people say that the pedophile was such a nice man or such a good man. Guess why.

              • Pinion says:

                Do you realize you just compared minor children with helpless women? Then claim most pedophiles are men?

                For instance in New Zealand there is no law on the books to even charge a woman with rape or molestation. So according to the official numbers, there are zero women committing either crime.

                Even if they are somehow charged, they often get a slap on the wrist.

                A veteran here in the States spent more time in jail for a false rape report than a 35 year old woman who got pregnant while molesting an 11 year old.

                He only spent 15 hours in actual custody, but she never saw the inside of a jail cell.

                It took two months for his charges to be dropped even though there was CCTV footage, and his accuser didn’t admit her lies for a year.

                It cost him his relationship, the right to see his child, and his reputation.

                She was helped by her church, was let go by the judge, who btw even dropped a two hundred dollar ‘reparation’ fine because she cried in court, claiming she was too poor to pay even that.

                But you know, PATRIARCHY!

              • Ann (WOC) says:

                Agree dewitkate that sexual abuse is about power. Very interesting comment that pedophiles are straight men. Certainly true with Sandusky.

            • Jane says:

              WTF? Documented by psychiatric community and not to mention the pedophiles and rapists themselves often talk about their urges as being beyond their control, ergo, it’s a mental illness.

              “That is the Universal experience of all times…”

              What tiny, closed off, uninformed universe are you talking about?

        • Joe says:

          That is actually not true. Pedophilia is a paraphilia, those who are pedophiles are attracted to children, the children they vecitimize is based on access and availability not on the predator’s sexual orientation.

        • C Robinson says:

          Incorrect. Attraction to children is specifically because their lack of gender specification.

          There is NO link between homosexuality and pedophilia — the priest who are guilty of raping little boys are fairly uniformly not attracted to men.

          • Rainouart says:

            How did you become the big know-it-all, C Robinson? You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, or whether it’s true. All you know is what it says in your media-puppeteered goose-stepping orders. And you have forfeited all common sense. Priests who rape boys are not attracted to men? So male pedophilia is not homoerotic? Heterophobic trolls like you will do and say ANYTHING to assassinate truth out of the minds of men.

            • Scott says:

              All I see in your post, Rainouart, are insults and degrading comments. Sadly, I don’t believe your comments promote any useful or intellectual discussion whatsoever.

      • yup says:

        I am not saying they are the same thing. Homosexuality and pedophilia are disjoint circles on the Venn diagram. However, male pedophiles that touch little boys are homosexual.

    • andy says:

      They also all drank milk as children.

    • logic says:

      there is no need for the quotations around priest. they are priests in empirical sense of the word

  30. Crystallia says:

    So uh… where the hell does the “satanism” part come in? I see nothing in this article that suggests Satanism is involved.

    • Buddhalennon says:

      “Poggi also accused the former Carabinieri of selling consecrated hosts for satanic rites.”

      Any other questions?

    • Nobody says:

      THAT is what you took away from this, “Where’s the satanism”? Selling young boys for cash to perform sex acts on priests ON CHURCH GROUNDS, and you’re on about satanism? You need to get your head re-wired, sister…

    • noOne says:

      Pedophilic rites have often been associated with satanism. In order to rise through the ranks, one is required to sodomize a child along with many other grotesque and disgusting practices. this isn’t the only connection between the catholic church and satanism. I would encourage all of you to commit some time to research and get to know your local catholic church a bit better. Knowledge is power

      • bryan t. says:

        take it from a satanist: there is no sodomy required to be one of us.

        • M. says:

          “Take it from a satanist”…

          • Van says:

            I think a satanist would probably know better than some one who hasn’t studied satanism.

            • ReverendDavidson says:

              I think he was making a joke, like “take it from a satanist”

              As in… y’know, sodomy.

              If you’re still not following along, replace satanist with priest, and you’ll still have the joke.

          • Russel Hobbs says:

            Satanists are just a sub-cult of Christians anyway. They have the same God, the same Books and Scriptures.They share canon, with virtually no points of contention. They just approach the religion from a diamtrically oppositional starting pont. Armageddon. They consider this to be going on right now, (as do many of the frothier christians) Satanism isn’t about being evil, it’s about choosing not to obey, or conform, or worship God out of fear.

      • somebody says:

        The Church of Satan states that they actually don’t believe in any gods. That means they don’t believe in Satan either. They are quite atheist.
        Since Catholic leaders aren’t allowed to marry, their bodies that are biologically wired to procreate will find a means to satisfy these urges. This isn’t a ritual – they’re just confused humans. Not defending their actions, just saying they need to rethink their right to marry. After they serve time in prison of course. Being in a religion doesn’t make you exempt from the law.
        Don’t end a paragraph with “knowledge is power” when you don’t know what you’re saying.

        • Daquan says:

          Actually he has a point i that might be why these priests do this…..*mind blown*

          • Doc B says:

            It certainly doesn’t help. The Eastern Orthodox Church, to the outsider, looks extremely similar to the Catholic Church and is roughly as old, with one really, really important difference: They realized long ago that celibacy was a problem, and built in a loophole that allows (and encourages) men to marry before they enter the priesthood, and have families. Over 90% of Eastern Orthodox priests and deacons are married and most have families.

            Which might explain why, despite being pretty large (about 1/5 the size of the Catholic Church) you don’t see articles every goddamn week exposing the cover-up of widespread child rape.

      • nicor says:

        You poor lunatic. What you refer to as “research” is just communicating with people who are as delusional as you.

    • Rainouart says:

      Too stupid to figure out that a heinous crime like pedophilia is Satanic, eh Crystallia?

  31. pete says:

    The Catholic Church in the whole, I would like to think, is good and represents a great idea. With any group of people, ranging from a small community based group, to a national community, to a local or national government, ideals/rules are established based around a set of principles that can better the quality of life of the participating individuals. At the same time there are specific individuals in any group that will make poor decisions and will tarnish the main goals and cultural ideals of the group. This will inevitably occur in any large group over a period of time. No large group of people with power is ever perfect and it must be understood the actions of a few individuals should not define the whole group.

    • chris says:

      Enough with your reasonable talk, pete!! Must. Slander. Church. At. All. Costs!!

    • Ryan says:

      I think the problem here is much deeper than you’re admitting. The church teaches that sex outside of marriage is wrong, that homosexuality is a sin, and that priests should be celibate. These men who find themselves either attracted other men or to children realize they have no recourse – they can’t get psychiatric help because they’ll be branded monsters by society. They can’t marry, even to men, because thats “a sin in God’s eyes.” So they join the priesthood and decide to remain celibate. At least that way they serve God without giving in to their desires, they think. Yet, down the road their desires are still stuck with them because they’re biological and can’t be ‘cured’ by prayer. So, they make terrible mistakes. The real problem here is the church’s teaching about sexuality. Where in Christ’s semon on the mount did he condemn the homosexuals to hell? He barely speaks about marriage an sexuality in the bible, and yet the Catholic church has decide to pick and choose rules form the old testament that end up doing more harm than good. The blame rests with them.

    • Ted Danson says:

      The catholic church represents oppression of thorught through manipulation, using fear and guilt. It’s not something that represents “good”. Jesus is something that represents “good”. And I imagine he would be disgusted at the multi-million dollar churches these assholes propagate their fear from. Catholicism isn’t about love. It’s about submission.

      • Rainouart says:

        You represent evil lies, Ted Danson. The Church has taught me and countless billions of others, to our complete satisfaction, how to handle fear and guilt, which are natural and inevitable human emotions. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, said the OLD Testament, and guilt is what you are already experiencing I-F you still have a conscience.
        Nobody is saying YOU still have one, Danson.
        How stupid your sanctimony is: love is the opposite to submission? So what do you call submission to God and his commandments? Hate?
        Whether Christ would be disgusted at the institution of the Church today, I can’t say; maybe so. Then again, maybe the problem is the infiltration of Satanic cultists who think just like you (only not quite so stupid in not knowing where their hate comes from). One thing is crystal-clear, though: Christ would be beyond disgusted at you and cheap-shot guttersnipes like you.

        • Victor says:

          So, to summarize your comment: The Church is good, it has taught you to judge and condemn others, and you don’t know what Jesus would think but you actually do know, for certain. That’s some epic mental gymnastics.

          Let me guess, in your head, your god (which is not the same God as anyone else imagines) hates all the same people you do, right? Like this guy, for starters. Talk about tolerance and acceptance all you like; your religion is just a convenient feel-good outlet that you’ve manipulated to fit your biases and prejudices. Coward.

    • steve says:

      I think what you mean is… the catholic RELIGION is good on the whole. The church is an evil organization, that, at the very top of it’s ranks has hidden these crimes and MANY others (including money laundering, child trafficking, child slavery and more) … and even denied their existence. The CHURCH (as an organization) is worse than most corporations… but let’s not forget that it IS a money making entity and SHOULD classify as a corporation. As an organization it has perpetrated and then knowingly hidden many of it’s crimes, then CONTINUED to do them. To defend the church is outrageous at this point. Defending your faith is fine, but the church creates the hierarchy that makes this dominance … and destructive mentality possible. I say, practice your faith on your own time and respect other people enough to STOP SUPPORTING THE CHURCH!

      • Rainouart says:

        I defend the Church at this point, but you’re the one who’s outrageous. Do you really think the people committing the atrocities you (incompletely) list are really “Catholics”? Did it never cross your walnut-sized brain that maybe, just maybe the Vatican was infiltrated by Satanic cultists? The crimes you detail sound for all the world like JUST the sort of things devil-worshippers would do. And you might as well be one of them yourself if you shield them by sneering “conspiracy theorist” at me. You can’t recognize that as a CONDITIONED RESPONSE?? And Who do you think the conditioner might be? (Or look at it another way, whoever is reading this: Who except conspirators benefits from the mindless taboo on conspiracy FACTS? (cui bono?)
        I will continue supporting the Church (within reason), because I don’t accept that it should be abandoned to the devil and his own.

    • C Robinson says:

      It’s convenient to disassociate the church from it’s acts — but sadly, it is the CHURCH that has protected and hidden these pedophiles away while being completely aware of their acts… at best to spare their reputation, at worst because it’s condoned and accepted within the ranks.

      I understand that practitioners of their faith will use whatever cognitive dissonance they can muster to protect an organization they believe in.. but the catholic church is in no way a force for good — their history clearly shows this.

      Catholics, however? They are human beings and certainly run the gambits of good, bad, and otherwise.

      • Rainouart says:

        When did a know-nothing like you become the big know-it-all, all of a sudden? You know NOTHING about the Church’s history, ignoramus, which is quite glorious indeed, notwithstanding all the infiltration it has had to fight off, repeatedly.
        But pedophilia is WAY beyond “cognitive dissonance”. Why can’t you scope the possibility (now actuality) that these people are Satanic cultists? The pedophile “priests” are condoned because their superiors are the chief culprits — that was the message of the (so-called) Third Secret of Our Lady of Fatima: that Satan would be enthroned after 1960 and that the upper hierarchy would lead the Church astray from the top.

        • whatevs says:

          Jesus Fake Christ would be appalled at the hatred, bigotry, etc, etc sins you’ve committed in these comments. You’re the angriest commercial I’ve ever heard for christianity. Also your stupid Satanic cultist infiltration theory is literally amazing in how much it exposes your denial, and your blind faith that any ‘man of the cloth’ can do wrong. Catholic priests be molestin boys 24/7/364. stop defending them you lunatic. The way you run around screaming and raving, one would think you realized the church was burning down, and religion is coming to it’s inevitable end, thank god.

    • ModernMan says:

      I understand that all groups of people on the planet are made up of imperfect humans. The Catholic church doesn’t seem to view itself that way – that some of its members are fallible. They’ll deny and cover this thing up to the best of their ability, like they have in the past, and that’s what shameful about them.

      It’s bad that a group of men in an organization are abusing boys. They should be shut down and punished for it.

      It’s ALSO bad that their organization itself is working to hide their actions.

  32. Wake up says:

    News flash: The percentage of priests who abuse children is the same as the percentage of the rest of the population that does. The only reason everybody associates priests with paedophilia is that we’ve heard about it more in the news.

    • YOU wake up says:

      News flash: priests aren’t supposed to abuse children.

      • pirate says:

        News flash: NOBODY is supposed to abuse children. But I sincerely doubt the numbers are the same as the rest of the population. Just another Catholic apologist… keep apologizing, you’ve got 2000 years worth of genocide, castrations, misogyny, wars, pedophilia, homophobia, and a myriad of other human rights abuses to atone for.

        • John says:

          Is he being apologist, or is he combatting misinformation?

          Additionally, is he as a modern Catholic responsible for atoning for things done by individuals a thousand years ago? It’s the same dilemma with “white guilt.”

          • Sam says:

            Yeah, but he can choose to not be Catholic. I can’t choose to not be white.

          • Jimmy says:

            Then, why do you call people sinners for something Adam & Eve did 4000 (!) years ago?

            • Rainouart says:

              That you and everybody else do evil is beyond dispute. The Adam and Eve story assumes that every effect has a cause.

          • Max says:

            Except you don’t *choose* to born white. You may, however, choose simply to not associate yourself with an institution such as the Catholic Church that has such a long track record of child sexual abuse…

            • Rainouart says:

              How long? You don’t even know what you’re talking about. According to the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City, priestly pedophilia started happening in the 1960s and 1970s and has TAPERED OFF since then. Before that it was virtually unknown, even though people are still alive today who could testify to its happening earlier, had it happened earlier. See the link to this study below, hate-monger.

              • Russel Hobbs says:

                Catholic Priests have been raping young boys since the 1200sm at least! Sodomising prisoners on the Crusades was considered aftr dinner entertainment for these Good Catholic Warriors, all sanctioned by the Priesthood, of course.

          • pirate says:

            Well, uhmm… I’d take a slightly better tone if the Catholic Church voluntarily did ANYTHING to apologize and compensate rape victims instead of fighting lawsuits tooth and nail in court! Another case, just this week in the news, the Irish government has decided to compensate victims of the Magdalene laundries but where’s the church? Still silent.. I hope they rot – I almost wish there was such a thing as a hell for them to go to!

          • Rainouart says:

            John, why do you accept his lowbrow, Nazi-like, cartoon version of history? Is he some kind of authority to you? Where do you think he got his “learning”? You really think Leftist thugs and Communist propagandists can be trusted to give a truthful version of Church history? By blackening Christianity, the Socialists hope to whitewash their own, indisputable crimes of the 20th century (or, if that isn’t possible, then at least to create the appearance of moral equivalence); and incidentally sock it to Christians, their hate-fetish and the impediment to their lust after the kingdom, the power, and the glory for themselves. You need to wise up and quit giving them the benefit of the doubt.

        • holyhandgrenadesbatman says:

          assuming that the ped rates in priest are identical to main population, then the known fact that they are shuffled around and will do it again means that the % of peds may be same, but the number of abuses would be expected to be larger per abuser.

          • Rainouart says:

            Thanks to the upper hierarchy of the Church, which is where the Satanic infiltration began. It’s just common sense, really, that if you want immunity, then you have to control the very top of the chain of command in any hierarchy. None of this could possibly be happening if the highest authorities of the Church (I call them “their Satanic majesties”) were not ALREADY in charge BEFORE the epidemic was let loose.

        • Pickle says:

          News Flash: Stop saying News Flash!

        • Ryan says:

          People also associate priests with paedophilia because

          a. They’re supposed to be celibate.
          b. They have power over children via Catholic schools, the sacraments (confessions, confirmation, etc.)
          c. The faith they teach expressly forbids any sexual acts outside of marriage
          d. The faith they preach condemns homosexuals and others who don’t conform to the church’s prescribed sexual standards.

          So it seems just a little bit hypocritical to most people that these abuses happen within the church itself and then get covered up by high church officials.

          • Rainouart says:

            Beyond hypocrisy. Call it apostasy. See 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4. If the Bible is really prophetic, then we are on the verge of all this happening in our lifetimes.

          • Russel Hobbs says:

            “People also associate priests with paedophilia because” SO MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN CAUGHT HAVING SEX WITH CHILDREN!

      • John says:

        News Flash: No one is supposed to abuse children, and we are all humans despite instituion affiliation?

      • sigh says:

        News flash: no one is supposed to abuse children.

    • Also says:

      Also because there have been repeated efforts by people in the church to cover it up, which makes it more scandalous. But I think I read somewhere that the percentage of sexual abuse among priests is actually lower than the general population.

      • Ryan says:

        Gee, I wonder if that percentage looks lower because it’s come out time and time again that high church officials are covering up these scandals…

    • Synapse says:

      Difference being that in the normal population, pedophiles get arrested, and pedophiles in the church get protected and shuffled around to new areas.

      • chris says:

        Many of these priests who get shuffled around, as you say, didn’t do anything wrong and are victims of overzealous parents and youths. Example: I had a priest as a teacher in school. He would walk up and down the aisle, put his hand on the shoulders of students, and ask if they were having a nice day… that’s it. Some girl felt uncomfortable, complained to her parents, and he gets shipped out to the middle of nowhere the next month…all for putting his hand on the shoulder of a student. I agree, there are MANY flaws and this article brings some potential ones to light, but many of the priests who are moved around are done so in a cautionary manner. Not defending the actions of the bad ones, but keep in mind that there are two sides to everything.

    • Joe says:

      The reason it’s getting widespread coverage is because priests are supposed to act as model citizens and role models, not as pedophiles and child molesters.

      • Rainouart says:

        So are public school teachers, but the media never make a “cause celebre” out of that. But of course … the public schools are run by the Socialist state while priests are under the church of Christ. And the Satanic agenda is in plain view all over again.

    • Joe says:

      but the rest of the population doesn’t have the church’s resources for hiding it

      • Rainouart says:

        They have the anonymity of being one out of hundreds of millions of ordinary folks. The Catholic Church has been Public Enemy Number One of the devil’s own since whenever. But now the devil has gotten inside the Church (he’s been inside you ever since you became a Politically Corrupt goose-stepper).

    • ricky says:

      Assuming that the distribution of pedophiles is more or less uniform across cultures, races, and nations would be correct. Assuming it’s the same in the Church is incorrect. Priesthood is a voluntary act to join a respected group of society but simultaneously have ones sexuality be ‘non-descript’. There is a HUGE incentive for pedophiles to join to escape suspicion and live in the Church. Plus the benefit of having a protection scheme in existence in some circles is not only an unforgivable ethical crime committed by certain bishops, it is an unmistakable tool for RETAINING pedophiles rather than firing them from the priesthood. If the incentive is there they will continue to join, if they are not reported and their crimes are swept under the rug then they will continue to infect the Church. Allow priests to marry & also allow women to become priests. If marriage is a sacred institution, honor it in the priest hood. If pedophiles are reviled, report their crimes and have them arrested rather than sweeping it under the rug.

      • Rainouart says:

        You were right on target until you veered off into celibacy. The priesthood has been celibate since at least the 11th century (and from time to time young priests and monks have been caught fooling around normally with peasant girls), but nothing like the Satanically wicked pedophilia epidemic of today. Pedophiles DO most certainly have an incentive to join a Church THAT IS ALREADY INFILTRATED AT THE TOP. How did it get that way? Hint: it has nothing to do with celibacy but everything to do with the Third part of the Secret of Our Lady of Fatima (which is child’s play to look into now that you have the internet as a resource).

        • whatevs says:

          belief in god…eh, kinda ignorant, but understandable. Belief in satan is just plain stupid. Also not sure how repeatedly saying the Catholic church is infiltrated at every level by child molesting Satanists is supposed to be you defending the church?

    • Doesn't_beat_children says:

      If you’re trying to defend priests, then shouldn’t there be a much lower incidence of child abuse in the church?
      After all those decades of a “proper christian upbringing” and church approval, they aren’t any better than any other joe schmo child abuser?

      Maybe the church isn’t where morals come from after all?

      • Rainouart says:

        No Christian EVER said that morals “come from” the church; here is what Christianity actually DOES say: “For when the Gentiles, who have not the law [of Moses], do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves: who show the work of the law written in their hearts” (Romans 2:14-15).
        As for “defending priests” — Can’t you read? Look at ricky’s posting directly above mine, directly above yours. Are pedophiles really priests? or infiltrators?

    • You're have issues. says:

      You literally just defended priests molesting children.

      • Ted Danson says:

        No he didn’t. He’s explaining why a pedophile would want to become a priest.

        • whatevs says:

          No I think he said Catholic church is overrun with child molesting satanists, so we shouldn’t judge the church that’s now filled with child molesting satanists

    • Reality says:

      “News flash”? The ’80s called…

      The reason why everybody associates priests with pedophilia is because of the active cover up. If the church needs to actively cover it up, then the percentage is higher than you think it is… Any sane organization would distance itself from people who abuse children, not defend them and blame the kids.

      • Rainouart says:

        Except if the hierarchy are the chief culprits. Our Lady of Fatima – Third Secret – 1960 – Vatican II – the Great Apostasy (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4).

    • Dan says:

      This simply isn’t true. The incidence of paedophilia among priests is far higher than the incidence among normal people.

    • C Robinson says:

      The reason it’s associated with priests it because the church has been proven to have tried to cover it up on numerous occasions, while protecting actual child rapists.

  33. timmy says:

    @Frank
    So you think those with a sickness that they didn’t ask for should be executed?
    Do you think these celibate pedophiles are happy with their illness?

    • Mason says:

      @timmy
      There’s a huge difference between having an illness they didn’t ask for and acting on the urges. Of course it’s unfair to execute everyone that has it, however those that choose to ruin the lives of young children to satisfy their sexual urges should absolutely be dealt with in a very harsh manner. If they’re raping children they obviously aren’t very celibate..

      • Doc B says:

        It’s important to differentiate the difference between a pedophile and a child molester. Current understanding of the sexual spectrum suggests that there are plenty of people with some level of attraction to children who do *not* act on it, and that some people are attracted to both children *and* adults their own age, and so live normal lives.

        If I have sexual thoughts about a woman who’s not interested in me, then it’s a harmless fantasy. If I force myself on that woman, then it’s rape.

        If a pedophile feels sexual feelings toward a child, then that’s simply a personal fantasy. If he *acts* on those feelings, then it’s rape, and the perpetrator should be prosecuted like any other predatory criminal. The distinction between thinking and doing is *extremely* important, lest we label everyone with unusual sexual urges a criminal.

  34. thewrath says:

    My comment was in response to virped. It seems that is gone, so my post might look silly. Anyway, glad I can look goofy on this thread. take care all.

  35. lol. says:

    lol @ religion, yall are crazy.

  36. Frank says:

    The comments on this page make my sick. You should honestly seek help. Anybody doing anything to defend this scum deserve to rot in hell with them.

    • Person says:

      So everyone is completely insane except for Frank. I don’t even have words that describe how crazy everyone is here that is in any way sticking up for this madness. I am embarrassed to be part of the human race because of you people.

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  38. Teena says:

    The catholic church is an institution of lies and satanism. It always has been. This is about the control and subjugation of humanity. They will fall to their own corruption. No one should be allowed to rape and murder our children!

  39. Free thinker says:

    Grown men sodomizing teenage boys all while wearing cloaks which supposedly make them “men of god”? You religious cretins need to wake up and understand that there is no invisible man in the sky who will do anything about this and so we, fellow humans, must deal justice to scum like these rapists. Pathetic.

  40. Snapfu says:

    People are people, so why should it be, that you and I get along so awfully? So we’re different colours, and we’re different creeds; and different people have different needs. It’s obvious you hate me though I’ve done nothing wrong. I never even met you, so what could I have done? I can’t understand what makes a man hate another man; help me understand.

    Just sayin’.

    • NotSnapfu says:

      Well, the biggest difference between me and the people in the article is that I don’t have sex with children. When people abuse other people, does that not justify hate?

      • SnapfuNotSnapfu says:

        It was a Depeche Mode song.

      • John says:

        If you are familiar with the phrase “2 wrongs don’t make a right” then it would not justify hate. Evil does not beget evil.

        If you are hating someone, I would think that for you to express that to another is abuse. You are, of course, entitled to disagree.

        • Mike says:

          Evil is a word. Rapeing a child is a violent action, that needs to be punished with a violent action.

          • Russel Hobbs says:

            Punishment must have an element of a lesson in it. The object of punishment is to encourage a transgressor to adjust their behaviour to a more acceptable social norm. Paedophiles are notoriously recidivist, and will rarely change their behaviour patterns, simply to fit in. After rehabilatative treatment, they either (rarely) A/ give up sex completely, for moral considerations learned in THE rehab process. Or B/Become a lot more devious and careful, so as not to get caught again. So punishment, in the case of a paedophile, loses it’s moral high ground, because it is ineffective and therefore, purely an act of vengeance.

          • Russel Hobbs says:

            Child rape is usually without the violence associated with adult rape, not simply because a small child wont fight back, but also that the paedophile considers his actions as an expression of affection and love for a child whom he genuinely is fond of. He dosn’t (as a rule) use violence at all, preferring the seduction processes known as “grooming”, which pretty much follow the same patterns (covertly of course) as any other courtship.

  41. americanatheist says:

    The church doesn’t need to be saved. It needs to be put to rest, thanked, and remembered for all of the terrible acts committed in its name.

  42. doc says:

    God isn’t real so no one will be held accountable…

    • Snapfu says:

      Nice troll. First comment.

      • ThunderRoad says:

        Trolls don’t tell the truth. Doc did.

        • Snapfu says:

          Wow. So many people know everything. It’s an honor to be in your presence. Everything about anything everywhere. What it must be like to know everything and be so sure of it. Sigh. I’m just a poor theist that doesn’t know much and must be weak because of my belief in a greater power.

          The act is deplorable. Humans are deplorable. Humans are the problem, not religion. Catholicism has relegated men to be honored and worshipped above one another; this is where the problem lay. Men will ALWAYS mess things up.

          • NotSnapfu says:

            What the hell? Why did you just explode? We were having a civilized discussion. Calm down and act like an adult, assuming you are one.

            • Nate says:

              I don’t think he exploded. He just happens to be trying to explain to you the difference between faith and a religious organization called The Catholic Church.

              • NotSnapfu says:

                And in the process he called humans deplorable. He said humans were the problem. What kind of person says that about himself? A masochist, that’s who.

                The worst thing about religion is that it tries to tell us that humans are bad. We’re not, we’re born good, and we’re capable of finding our own set of morals.

                I’ve heard religious people say that without faith, people would just go around raping and killing each other. It truly scares me, that the only thing standing between them and genocide, is a 400 year old book (assuming they believe in the bible).

                • Nate says:

                  that is a very negative philosophy, true. On the other hand, I do think that faith can be helpful to those that need help. Some people don’t need it, good for them. Some people use it for evil, shame on them.

                • Whatswiththesnapfu says:

                  Humans are born both good and bad, based on your attempts to rile up a stranger over the Internet in order to make yourself feel in control you should consider which you might be.

                  • CJ says:

                    You sir, are an idiot.

                    Human beings are not born good OR bad. Good and Bad are concepts and words we have created to define states of viewed character. Good and Bad is taught and can mean completely different things to EVERY person. Just look at Catholics who believe gay people are evil, or Muslims who believe Americans are evil. Get your head out your ass and get an education

                • John says:

                  This is an issue of extremes and receiving one’s message on face value. Not all humans are deplorable, and not all are virtuous. However, to not have any awareness of fault in oneself or his fellow man might cause you to overlook those deplorable acts.

          • NotSnapfu says:

            Furthermore, my biggest quarry with theists is their disbelief in humanity. It makes me cringe every time a religious person belittles or completely reject the good in people. Worst of all is when christians or catholics try to convince people that we are sinners from the get-go, and redemption is the only way for salvation.

            Saying that humans are deplorable says a whole lot more about you than it says about the world.

            It’s alright to have faith, but you should place it where it’ll make a difference – in the real world.

            • Nate says:

              True, I don’t think humans are inately evil either. What faith can do is insure that your mind is full of positive thought vs full of negative. Its unfortunate that a person with faith does not have faith in god’s own creation.

              • Envision says:

                Didn’t the bible write something about God wanting to destroy all of humanity cause he made a mistake? In Genesis I think. Maybe they take that to heart? That’s why that Jesus fellow came around right? Personally I think the bible is a worthless piece of garbage… I don’t mind people who have faith outside the bounds of the book though. A lot of them are very respectable who follow only the teachings/stories of Christ rather than the man-made bible of contradictions.

          • JohnnyCage says:

            Religion is man made. Therefore, is religion just as flawed as man is or no?

          • Surfin Bird says:

            The thing that doesn’t seem to be soaking into your head, Snapfu, is that humans ARE religion. Even if there was a god, god is not religion. People are religion. They started it, they perpetuate it, they pervert it, and they defend it. Religion is the problem BECAUSE people are the problem.

          • Musiacioed says:

            The issue is that your statement “humans are the problem” is absolutely against what the church teaches. According to your church’s teachings, that humans are intrinsically good. And yeah, relying on a higher power to sort everything out in the end is kinda weak. I wasn’t gonna say anything but you went ahead and did it for me.

          • Envision says:

            “So many people know everthing…. Everything about anything everywhere.” Theists claim the same thing. “Makes you wonder how all this was made huh?” -”NO! GOD DID IT! HURRR”

      • NotSnapfu says:

        He isn’t trolling, he’s voicing his opinion and concern that these people won’t be held accountable for their actions. They should face consequences in this life, the only life everyone agrees exist.

  43. Echo says:

    Is it not, like politics, a given that the vast majority, especially those who rise to the top of the hierarchy (if they actually rise) are already in “the club” and therefore a very serious part of the problem? Just askin’…

  44. no says:

    @RC – the Church is no longer relevant.

  45. BriC says:

    The problem about people saying “This isn’t the church god/Jesus intended” is why isn’t their all powerful God doing anything to correct it? Its more like a bad parent letting their children run feral while punishing them for actions caused by no intervention and lack of proper guidance. It calls itself a ‘Heavenly Father’, it’s about time it started acting like one.

    • Mrs. Beatrice Gill says:

      Because God gave human beings FREE WILL !!!!
      In the case of the RC Church, the “parents” are the “hierarchy;” e.g., the “parents” ARE the problem!!

      • Envision says:

        So God doesn’t do anything at all right? Considering we have free will, that means everything that happens to us is on us, not on God. Why do people ask him for stuff? Why do they thank him when they do the things they do? If God really did exist, it sounds like he created life with intellect and just left it to do it’s own thing while he went to go do something else.

        • Agnostic says:

          That’s pretty much what I think god would be like, if there was a god. He’d be like a scientist (hehe!) who’s observing us through a microscope or something. Whatever happens in the petri dish is up to the bacteria colony, god-scientist is just observing and not interfering.

      • Mike says:

        No because god doesn’t exist. The catholic church plays stupid people like a violin.

  46. David says:

    This is the anti-Christ ROMAN Catholic Church and they have no place in the true Catholic Church.

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  48. Mrs. Beatrice Gill says:

    Jesus was a humble man who wouldn’t have intended that a corrupt, perverted monarchy would rise up in his name. The Roman Catholic Church needs to be de-centralized to rid ourselves of all of these hypocrites. Each Catholic Church should be run locally where the parishioners can keep a close eye on their priests. The Vatican should be turned into a museum.

    • MotherBlubber says:

      The reasoning for the Vatican is to organise and regulate its branches so offshoots and new teachings that aren’t approved wont happen. If churches parse out then they would need to organise a group of people to keep in teachings that are approved…and then you have the Vatican again

  49. Concerned says:

    Pope Francis may have to act faster than he ever dreamed if the Church is going to be saved – while Francis has been a shot in the arm for a very sick church – he has to be willing to do radical surgery soon. If half of those things that have been surfacing are true, the church is going to feel serious repurcussions from the faithful. There is only so much more that the people of God will be willing to endure before there is an even greater mass exodus. The bright side is the it looks like Francis is not going to hide these things as has been the policy of his predecessors.

  50. Recovering Catholic says:

    This ISN’T the church that Jesus Christ instituted. We need a MASSIVE restructuring of the Catholic Church to clear out all this deceit, perversion and corruption. We need to begin FRESH.

    • CJ says:

      No it’s not… Especially since Jesus DID NOT START A CHURCH.

      The church started much later and it was the ROMANS who started it who had taken to Jesus’ teachings or at least their version of them.

      Why is it those who hate religion know more about it than those who blindly follow…?

  51. Dan says:

    I’m with you except about them not being sick. It is a sickness, and that is why they need our compassion. Something isn’t right with either brains. They should be encouraged not to indulge those feelings, not simply rejected by society for simply having them.

  52. editor says:

    virped, I’m trying to be as understanding as possible in this instance and not simply delete your comment for its apparent defense of pedophilia. Let me just be clear: of course a pedophile’s acting out on their attraction is a crime. Having that attraction–even if it isn’t acted upon–might not be illegal but it is clearly disordered and sick. To be clear, CathNewsUSA is open to differing opinions but–while we always endeavor to be compassionate in our response–we won’t tolerate rationalizations/justifications of sickness as just another sexual orientation to be considered.

  53. Adam R says:

    @virped:

    pedophiles can never be “excellent human beings.” You have a sickness and it must be addressed or you should sit in prison for the rest of your life. No one will EVER EVER sympathize with pedophiles.

  54. James says:

    pedophelia is a subject covered by several aspects. From a psychological aspect it derives from a persons brain not developing in a certain manner. Generally as we grow older our brain is attracted to the same age bracket through emotional development. Pedophiles on the other hand dont go through such development therefore they are attracted to whom they would have been at the age of 10, 11 etc. Due to our social standards on a legal basis pedophiles are characterized as a person whom engages in sexual acts with a minor. So it changes with the perspective. I myself see it as simply an emotional development issue apposed to anything else. I dont choose to be attracted to 20 year old women I just am…therefore the same is true for a pedophile and homesexuals. The issue is that because our society deems sex with a minor as an illegal act thats the final ruling. And having sex with a minor isnt really regarded as “gross” per say its based around the fact that our officials have deemed a person of a certain age bracket as unable to give actual consent. So the law is more centred around a person whos 12 not being capable of providing consent then the act itself being wrong. But it doesnt change the fact that the person who is attracted to children has as much say as a gay man liking men or me liking women. My morale issue is with the people who exploit children for profit through sex slavery and child pornography. I try not to waste hate on people who have little control. The “want” is psychological and the “act” is illegal. Wrong or right that’s what it comes down to.

  55. virped says:

    ?

    He was right: pedophilia is not a crime. Why?

    Because feelings and emotions are not illegal.

    Show me a single country that has a law against feeling sexual attraction towards children. There is none. Having feelings, attraction, desires, emotions towards children, is not illegal.

    There is a big difference between being attracted to children, and abusing one.

    Doesnt the church accept celibate gays? Then what is so wrong about celibate pedophiles?

  56. Envision says:

    Technically, there is something ‘wrong’ with them and they should seek help. However, I see what you’re trying to get at. We shouldn’t just auto-assume these people are going to rape children but they should get help in the event that they may not be able to contain themselves later in life.

  57. holyhandgrenadesbatman says:

    agree with your important distinction between feelings/impulses and actions. this may be the single biggest awareness that needs to be raised about the whole thing. i tend to disagree tho on your equating the acceptability of homosexually oriented priests with pedophile priests. take two priests, one gay, other ped, and assume both has equal likelihood of giving into temptation. if the gay priest does, well that may break the church’s rules, but not society’s rules (ie, laws). this is not true for pedophile, however. bottom line, if you are the bishop and you know about both these two men’s inclinations, you should immediately fire the pedophile but give the gay priest a chance to keep his vows since the gay priest is functionally the same as a straight priest who has agreed to suppress his sexual desires for women.

  58. virpedisretarded says:

    Nobody is talking about feelings. We’re talking about priests who were using a rent-a-boy service and physically having sex with young boys. Why are you trying to derail this article?

  59. Mike says:

    The fact that the pedophiles RAPE children. They aren’t suppressing these ‘feelings’ they have they are acting on them and rapeing children. We need to bring back public executions for these sick bastards.

  60. editor says:

    Please don’t bring in your relativizing cultural/societal construct arguments “There are some cultures in which sex with young children is the norm, the children are neither psychically nor psychologically harmed by this interaction.” People can cite “cultural evidence” for lots of sick behavior, it isn’t a justification. Child sexual abuse is outlawed nearly everywhere in the world, generally with severe criminal penalties, including in some jurisdictions, life imprisonment or capital punishment. An adult’s sexual intercourse with a child below the legal age of consent is defined as statutory rape, based on the principle that a child is not capable of consent and that any apparent consent by a child is not considered to be legal consent.

  61. Johnson says:

    He becomes sick right around the time he realizes how he wants to insert himself into a child. And a pedophile is always sick. It doesn’t matter if they don’t act on their urges to take the innocence of a child. If a schizophrenic is not in the middle of an episode, are they not still mentally ill?

  62. thewrath says:

    Because the social stigma placed upon them will never be released. I can be open-minded enough to understand where you are coming from. But if I were to find out one of my adult friends was a virtuous pedophile I would/will remove them from my life. One momentary lapse of reason can hurt a child. Possibly even cause great confusion and damage to their sexual maturity. I wish you all the joy and luck your situation can provide.

  63. Ann (WOC) says:

    Good one everypoorkid!

  64. TT says:

    All religion is bollocks.

  65. evolutionFTW says:

    Your use of insults to discredit them makes me think that, without the ability to make a compelling argument using reason, YOU may be the childish one. There’s no need for hate. A simple “I disagree with the redditors who showed up. I wish they hadn’t showed up.”
    Calling a huge internet community low IQ, immature pre-teen girls might make you feel better, but it isn’t getting your point across and just makes you look dumb, not them.

  66. Dylan says:

    A big screw you sir. A. for insulting the lgbt community. B. for insulting the developmentally disabled. C. for being a arse.

    Seriously. You don’t even say what you disagree with.

  67. Rainouart says:

    Everything you do, say and are. Shame on you. Go back to your sewer.

  68. Reggie_the_Ice_Cream_Man says:

    I am appalled by some of the comments on this article, but not yours; that was actually a very well rounded and thought provoking comment.
    However, “But it doesnt change the fact that the person who is attracted to children has as much say as a gay man liking men or me liking women.” – I do not agree with this mindset. Sometimes I want to punch people in the face when they upset me, but I don’t. A poor example, I know, but what I’m trying to say is, have some self control. An adult having sex with a child can completely ruin a person mentally. To add rape into the scenario is to add a certainty that a young person will be changed forever in a bad way, and any adult should know better. Especially a priest, who is revered by many to be the highest of role models.

  69. Reggie_the_Ice_Cream_Man says:

    I am appalled by some of the comments on this article, but not yours; that was actually a very well rounded and thought provoking comment.
    However, “But it doesnt change the fact that the person who is attracted to children has as much say as a gay man liking men or me liking women.” – I do not agree with this mindset. Sometimes I want to punch people in the face when they upset me, but I don’t. A poor example, I know, but what I’m trying to say is, have some self control. An adult having sex with a child can completely ruin a person mentally. To add rape into the scenario is to add a certainty that a young person will be changed forever in a bad way, and any adult should know better. Especially a priest, who is revered by many to be the highest of

  70. Ann (WOC) says:

    James took time to explain very well, thanks; however, holyhandgrenadesbatman has made a really insightful distinction. Thanks h. In any event the pedophile should be helped/prayed for because he has a sickness he did not choose.

  71. Neil Richardson says:

    Men join the church because they are paedophiles. Being a priest provides the certain opportunity to satisfy their desires for child sex. They certainly don’t believe the story about eternal damnation or they wouldn’t join. They’re patient predators.

 
 

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