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American Cardinal Raymond Burke sparks controversy, exerts influence

 

When some American Catholics worry that the hierarchy is tilting toward the Republican Party, or taking the church back to the 19th century (or earlier), they often point to Cardinal Raymond Burke as Exhibit A..

That’s understandable, because love him or loathe him — and few are on the fence — Burke’s many pronouncements on politics and the culture wars have given both fans and critics plenty of ammunition for their respective views.

Back when he was archbishop of St. Louis in 2004, for instance, Burke touched off a fierce debate by declaring that Catholic politicians such as John Kerry who support abortion rights should be denied Communion. Voters who supported them were in grave peril too, he added.

Burke doubled down on those views after Pope Benedict XVI appointed him to a top Vatican job in 2008, saying that under President Obama the Democratic party “risks transforming itself definitively into a ‘party of death’.” In 2009, Burke fueled another controversy when he said that the late Sen. Edward Kennedy should have been denied a church funeral for his support of abortion rights and gay rights.

“They can’t say anything about me that would surprise me,” Burke said with a soft laugh when asked in a recent interview about the passionate reactions sparked by his public stands.

“To be honest with you, I’m the sort of person who would be very happy not to have to speak out. I’m not a person who by nature likes to do that. But I believe it’s my obligation,” said Burke, who is always affable and remains accessible to the media. “It’s a responsibility that’s been given to me. I try to do it, though certainly not perfectly.”

The 63-year-old prelate — in his workaday attire of black cassock with red piping and a scarlet sash with matching skullcap — was speaking in his gilded offices on the upper floors of the 16th century Palazzo della Cancelleria, one of the most famous Renaissance palaces in Rome that now houses the Catholic Church’s highest court. [More]

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135 Comments

  1. Francis says:

    Burke and the Pharisees – any similarities? Hum…..

  2. Bill says:

    Shame for calling the Cardinal such Vulgar names!

    The last time I checked, he is still in persona Christi

    • Tony says:

      Bill all of us are in persona Christi by virtues of our Baptisim. Look at the difference Between Cardinal OMally and the drag queen Burke. OMally in his simple Franciscan habit ans Burkein his High Drag.

      • Bill says:

        Catechism 875

        Where are you getting your source from?

        That you still call a priest a “drag queen” speaks volumes

        • Tony says:

          Are we not anointed priest, prophet and king I the Rite of Baptisim.? Read the Rite. It is all there.
          When we do a good work are we not acting in the person ofChrist?

          • Bill says:

            Show me..where you officially became a priest?

            “God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ has freed you
            from sin, given you a new birth by water and the Holy
            Spirit, and welcomed you into his holy people. He now
            anoints you with the chrism of salvation. As Christ
            was anointed Priest, Prophet, and King, so may you
            live always as a member of his body, sharing
            everlasting life.”

            • Tony says:

              As Christ….so now you”.
              Thre is the ordained priesthood with its proper role and distinction and the priesthood of the faithful. Ultimately theonepriesthood of Jesus Chist.

          • aw says:

            Bill, don’t be fooled by this “Tony”. He is just goading you. Clearly whoever this person is not Catholic. Anyone who is unable to understand the difference between the Sacraments of Baptism and Holy Orders is either willfully ignorant or a non-Catholic posing as a Catholic.

            Tony–shame on you for your trash talk. It is unbecoming for a Catholic.

            If you consider Cardinal Burke’s attire “drag”, why don’t you consider O’Malley’s habit “drag” as well?

            Furthermore, you do not understand what acting in persona Christi means as it pertains to the Sacraments.

            My advice “Tony”: you would be better off studying your catechism rather than sounding off on topics you misunderstand.

            • Tony says:

              If you study ecclesiology you will see tha there is one priesthood. The priesthood of Jesus. Then, in a dance there is the ministerial priestshood where was is ordained, set aside to function in a specific role as priest. There are the rest of the baptized who share in the priesthood of Jesus Christ through baptisim and the priesthood of the faithfu.
              There is no misunderstanding on my part.
              The long out of date red silk robe that Burke wears, like a train on a gown, drags on the floor, thus the term drag queen.
              The title of this article indicates that the Cardinal causes controversy and indeed he does. I cringe when I hear people make fun of the church because of the way this guy dresses and acts.

        • Tony says:

          The only priest I call a drag queen is Burke who drags his opulent red silk train around like the Pompus ass that he is.

          • Bill says:

            Would we call these things to anybody we know?

            Maybe we should be using “concerned” love one another more often

            Is it a bit over the top? maybe?

            but “drag queen” and “pompus ass”?

            • Tony says:

              Yes Bill it is over the top. But the fact is that Burke appears to be out of Character in his dress and seemingly arrogant behavior. In my opinion and the opinion Gof others on this board he does more harm than good by his dress. Have I been a bit extream, of course, only to make a point.

      • Lodrone says:

        The attire of a Bishop is entirely bibical right down to the number of buttons on his vesture. People here show how poorly Catechized they are.

  3. Jo says:

    Count how many times concerned has written

    “donning the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades”

  4. Janet says:

    The Society must follow the entire gospel – the 2 greatest commandments, the Beatitudes, the spiritual and corporal works of mercy. Becoming overwhelming concerned with the minutae as such is pharisaical. They could be doing so much more for the Church by resignation to Benedict’s directives.
    Let us all pray “that all may be one.”

  5. MaryClare says:

    We have had many years of Republican leadership when Roe v Wade was not overturned. Romney is for abortion in the case of rape or incest, hardly completely prolife.

    • blag says:

      That’s because it’s more of a political football used to score points than something Republicans actually care about. Think about it – how are they going to sidestep the Supreme Court without making a constitutional amendment? And doing that is likely politically impossible. Abortion is an issue that needs to stop being an issue in the political realm because the courts have already ruled. No amount of religiosity in government is going to overturn that, and creating religiously-based laws opens cans of worms left and right in terms of whose religion the US follows, so it’s a non-starter. It’s time for voters to wise up and move on.

  6. Lodrone says:

    Here is a projection from Christ.
    Mark 9:37

    New International Version (NIV)

    37 “Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me.”
    Anyone complicit with a party platform of abortion rights needs to be converted before it’s too late.

  7. George Kadlec says:

    Cardinal Burke upsets people because he speaks the truth and many people hate the truth.

    As Jesus Christ said “Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.” (Matt 10:34-36)

    • Concerned says:

      and Jesus said many would come in his name as false prophets – do not listen to them. Until Burke opens his heart to the complete message of Jesus and gives witness to the importance of others rather than himself – he is a false prophet. He will lead many astray – but many will see his words are empty of Jesus.

      • Lyle says:

        Also is picking and choosing which parts of the bible to follow? The cafeteria is closed!

        Does anybody really think the Romney or any republican will destroy the needy?

        • Tony says:

          I think that Romney and his buddy Ryan will do significant harm to the elderly, the poor and the marginalized, just by virtue of the Ryan Budget. Romney also supports a option in certain cases talkabouttheCafeteria being open. Mormons are not really Christians as mainline Christians understand the term. Not that that makes a difference.

        • Concerned says:

          maybe you should read the beliefs of the Atlas Society – the dovotees of Ayn Rand of which Ryan belonged, endorsed, praised and made public appearances for.

        • blag says:

          Right, because cutting your hair or wearing clothing with more than one fabric is disallowed in Leviticus, but you don’t pick and choose which parts of the Bible you follow, so you’ve never done those things, have you?

  8. Philip says:

    All those against Cardinal Burke are liberals and probably in the Democrat Party. Liberals love everything that is sinful—same sex marriage, abortion, destruction of anything that is holy.

    • Concerned says:

      Philip, your words are empty of faith – they are filled with political leanings but devoid of anything that has to do with the message of Jesus Christ. Would it be fair to say that all conservatives care about is “donning the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades?” Of course not. But Satan loves to deceive people into believing that what you propose is the right way so that you will ignore the central message of Jesus. Satan loves to have people like Burke divert people from seeing that Jesus’ message was focused on love, mercy, kindness, care of the poor, concern for the widows, charity. You have been deceived. Find Jesus now before it is too late.

      • Katie says:

        Concerned, about what?
        After a full day of your harping and prattle “donning the most ornate…”, isn’t it time to get a new line?
        Today is the Feast Day of Sts. Michael, Gabriel and Raphael.

        • Tony says:

          Concerned line is the same line as Jesus, when I was hungr you fed me, thirsty you gave me to drink, naked you clothed me. He didn’t say to prance around like Burke,and look like a drag queen.

        • Concerned says:

          Katie, does the image of someone “donning the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades” disturb you. You would rather go to an unrelated topic? It should bother you and everyone else that this is what some see as the “beauty” of our faith. It should disgust people that a Cardinal’s message is empty of the words of Jesus about the poor, hungry, homeless, sick and disenfranchised. It should make people uncomfortable that the Church has decided to use faith as a political path. It should be quite disturbing to imagine what Jesus would say to someone decked out in “the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades” Yes, who wants to think of their church with this as an emphasis? But that s what the Burkes of the church are doing. Face facts, it is an abomination of faith – at least of the faith that Jesus preached.

          • Fred says:

            So, Concerned, what is your position on abortion, birth control and gay rights? Are they consistent with those expressed by the Cardinal?

            • Will says:

              Or even wider…are they consistent with the church?

              Study your catechism!

            • Concerned says:

              You miss the point Fred – what are your views on the commands of Jesus regarding the poor, the sick, the hungry, the homeless? Why do some of the Bishops, Cardinals speak only about one topic when there are many more? How do they all but endorse one party for one thing and ignore their disregard for other areas? Why do they ruiun their credibility by saying one message of Jesus is more important than another? How does Burke say that some should not receive the Sacraments while others ignore completely the message of Jesus?

      • Li says:

        “Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat.
        [14] How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!”

  9. Francis says:

    Cardinal Martini, pray for us!

  10. Charlie says:

    Cardinal Burke is doing the right thing, which takes courage in this lost secular world. Every time an abortion-gay rights Catholic Politician take the Eucharist he/she commits a sacrilege which is a mortal sin and he/she condems him/herself to Eternal separation from God in Hell. He is hoping to wake them up before they are lost in Hell. Those who allow them to recieve the Body, Blood,Soul and Divinithy of Christ in a State of obvious mortal sin are also complicit in the the sacrilege and are committin grave sin which could end in the lost of their souls. This is not a political issue or a social issue. This has to do with what is right in the eyes of God.

    • Concerned says:

      Charlie – and every time the poor are ignored. The working people are taken advantage of. Some of the rich get richer on the backs of sweat-shops in foreign countries, and widows are threatened with loss of income, and children are abandoned are the perpeptrators of these actions not going against the central message of Jesus Christ? If Burke and the rest of them had any credibility they would denounce these things as well. They would apply the same actions against them. As it is, they demonstrate that they are nothing more than politicians attempting to jockey for position. THIS HAS TO DO WITH WHAT IS RIGHT IN THE EYES OF GOD! “Donning the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades” demonstrates that it is all for show. When they speak the entire message of Jesus they may gain some credibility and they may even pursuade others by their words. Right now, they are booming gongs making a lot of noise to get attention for the wrong reason.

      • Charlie says:

        Concerned. Yes they have played the part of a politician and see where it has gotten them. Those politicians they tried to appease have now turned on them. It would have been better if they would have not traveled down the road of pleasing the politicians for favors but stood their ground (years/decades ago) on what Christ taught the Church. Now they will have to suffer persecution and martyrdom from the government/politicians. This will make them into Servants of God with strength and wisdom. They will grow in Christ and be again our leaders in the fight against evil (government of America). What they wear has no bearing on what is critical in this day and age. What is is that they show us how to live a Christian life in persecution and lead us into our salvation by example.

  11. dferraro says:

    Go Your Eminence GOOD FOR YOU FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH

  12. Serafino says:

    Hey, tony, how long have you been a homosexual? I think it is really you who likes to dress up in drag!

  13. Dave says:

    I know that Cardinal Burke prays for all of us to be in union with the one true Church and accept what Jesus Himself asked for us to be loyal and disciplined to the Church which starts at the top with the Vicar of Christ or the Pope and is lead next by the great conservative Cardinals under him. Instead of fighting with liberal Catholics, may we pray and sacrifice the insults and hatred from them which should be worn as a badge of honor. Many great saints thanked God for their enemies and tormentors as a gift in lifting them to the very height of holiness. That way along with good examples will we reach those souls who are misguided. Obama and his policies are ultimately just temporary as Jesus will be the ultimate Victor in the end. We are being attacked by evil everyday and are evident through abortion, homosexuality, divorce, loss of religious freedom, and many sacraligious actions and immoral acts by our catholic politicians. Overwhelmingly democratic party platform issues. Time to call a spade, a spade. Thanks for your honest and frankness, Cardinal Burke!

  14. Tom says:

    I see the demonic infested Jehovah Witness seminar bloggers are at it again. If those anti catholic anti Cardinal Burke whiners had something substantive to build a religion around, why they wouldn’t be bashing the Bride of Christ, Jesus’ real church,. on account they would have the real deal. Yep! yip yippee, Same old prattle about expensive vestments to wear etc. Humm the vestments; priests wear, purchased by the faithful, cost how much compared to cost of birth control pills, abortions, vasectomy’s, tub tying jobs, expensive clothes, cars, houses, and life styles, purchased by the whiners .? Vestments for the culture of life cost how much? Not a drop in the bucket compared to all the phony abstentious, materialistic, worldly trappings for the culture of death. ( really living the life of poverty like Jesus aren’t you! whines) But it does please me to see you anti traditional anti catholic bloggers ranting. Why? because demonic rants spewing forth is proof positive the we the Church are profoundly clothed in the righteousness of truth. Satan hates God, hates his church, hates God’s children, hates truth, and spews out hatred accusing the brethren before the throne of God day and night. Proof positive anti catholic whiners true spiritual father is Satan. If were not so, the Anti Catholic crowd wouldn’t even care what we believe say and practice because it wouldn’t matter. Keep it up the more you rage the more it encourages those of us who belong to God.

    • Concerned says:

      Tom – sounds to me you just used a lot of words to say you are justifying that Burke dons the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades” Isn’t that what Satan gets people to do – justify their wrong actions? Sounds to me like Satan has you! We will pray that some kind stranger might heal you. I just hope the stranger doesn’t appear in tattered clothes – you may not recognize him. But you just keep justifying everything away in your own little world. One day you may have the strength to turn to God and get satan out of you.

      • Tom says:

        Dear Concerned, You have shined a great light upon yourself in what you have written below!

        “Isn’t that what Satan gets people to do – ( justify their wrong actions?) Sounds to me like Satan has you!”

        CONCERNED YOU ALSO WROTE “We will pray that some kind stranger might heal you. I just hope the stranger doesn’t appear in tattered clothes – you may not recognize him. But you just keep justifying everything away in your own little world. One day you may have the strength to “—–

        DO WHAT FALL FOR THE DOCTRINE OF DEMONS AS YOU HAS DONE.?

        Concerned perhaps I am the Stanger in tattered clothes, the working poor. who gives more of myself to wounded and broken than my well heeled Worldly peers. BUT WHAT THEN DO YOU KNOW OF ME?

        My grand son and I am making breakfast. He is making choke cherry syrup for his mom. Yesterday, he had me stop on way up the mountain to pick them for his mom. We went fishing he caught his first trout. We will go the mass ( thats church for you uniformed heathens) then back to a fishing hole because he wants to catch more fish for his mom dad and sister. God willing I will see that he gets baptized and catechized. Thats my life Concerned, what about you.

        May Peace in the twin Hearts of JESUS and MARY be with you.
        PS Concerned I am concerned for your soul. get out of the Watch Tower they have nothing of the truth in them

        • Concerned says:

          I believe it is you who has shined the light on yourself. What, is your grandson a Jehovah Witness? Your bitterness is heard in your every word. With that bitterness you could never be the stranger in tattered clothes that you speak of.

          • Tom says:

            concerned, Bitterness????
            I have the name of good mental health professional. somebody whom you can talk to.good luck

            • Nicole says:

              Tom, Burke, the Pompos ass drag queen that he is, can’t come close to Cardinal O’Malley who wears the simple garb of his order and a red skull cap. A perfect example of what it is to serve the people of God in simplicity and humility.

              • Tom says:

                Nicole, I’m busy but thanks. these folks are just Satan’s minions. wagaing war against Christ. time to part from them. Take care of your self Nicole. i like your name my daughters middle name is Nicole.
                IN J&M
                tom

            • Concerned says:

              Oh poor Tom – has no defense but to use the old mental health professional. Don’t start what you can’t finish.

              • Tom says:

                Oh my I’m concerned, about your concerns, Concerned your feelings are hurt! call up the elders down at the kingdom hall for your next move No doubt you will sneak in on the next catholic blog. Try changing your alias to say something like hum “pretender.’ Oh darn you will give yourself away with the same old prattle. My regards to the lovely. Nicole. In the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Sacred heart of Jesus and Mary
                Thomas

  15. Vin says:

    To all those making fun of the priestly attire, it is to show respect to God in his Church and clergy. RESPECT! Ever hear of it? There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. It certainly separates the ordained from those who have not been ordained which is proper.

    • Tony says:

      So Vin Cardinal o’malley of Boston who wears his simple capuchin habit, instead of the long ridiculously looking robes of Burke has not been properly drained?

    • Concerned says:

      Vin
      Come now – read these words carefully about what Burke has been doing – “Donning the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades” There is nothing proper about that. Jesus can neither be seen or felt in that garb. Most priests do not wear such things – therefore Burke separates himself from the priesthood. If Burke had respect for the Eucharist he would not be making such a spectacle of himself. Respect for God does not come from teh garb – do you wear velvet, brocade or long trains of silk when you go to Church? If not, is it because you do not respect God or because you have better sense? You could really benefit from re-reading last Sunday’s Gospel and paying close attention to all 3 Scripture Readings for this weekend. You just might like finding the real God.

      • Catholic Lady says:

        Jesus will judge us by what is in our hearts not what is on our backs..So I’m a wondering how Jesus will be judging some of those who are posting such negetive comments about on of His servants..

  16. Recovering Catholic says:

    The more one reads about the pompous asses in the hierarchy by authors who know them well, the more it sickens one.

    • Tony says:

      Recovering…you’re right and Burke seems to be the biggest pompous ass. Can you imagine any father taking to his son and pointing to Burke and saying , “when you grow up you can be just like him.” I don’t think so…no father I know wants to see his son parading around in a long red satin dress and train.

    • Vin says:

      There really is no need to get vulgar. Those pa’s are way ahead of you on the way to salvation apparently. You’re not going to get there by ridiculing God’s loyal servants here on earth.

    • Charlie says:

      Sounds like you have not recovered anything. You are still angry and filled with negativity. You need healing and confession and repentance. This would be healthy for your soul.

  17. Recovering Catholic says:

    There have been some really outrageous quotes by those at the top of the church hierarchy. One outrageous, male chauvenist comment that I will never forget is, during the 1978 conclave (year of the 3 popes), Cardinal Siri (who was a top contender for the papacy) said “Women should not wear trousers lest they forget their function.”

  18. Marty says:

    The truth hurts, doesn’t it?

  19. Juanita says:

    Thank God for Cardinal Burke and priests like him!

  20. Eddie says:

    Tony you are probly from Boston why don’t all you libral pricks just leave the Catholic Faith and start another protesent church were you can belive anything you want!

    • Tony says:

      Liberal what, Eddie? Did you learn that language from your coservative equally dysfunctional priests?

    • DENNIS says:

      Right on Eddie!

      LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT

      Where did I hear those words before?

    • Charlie says:

      Eddie you are right. All those negative false Catholics should leave the Church and start another Protestant denomination. They came make up all sorts of interpretations of the Bible to suit their secular beliefs and feel good about themselves and let all the rest of us alone. I can’t understand why they stay with the Church if they are so unhappy. Obviously they are not looking for the truth.

  21. Joe says:

    Saint padre Pio wore the humble capuchin robe, but when he offered mass, he wore the beautiful vestments that you seem to despise.

  22. Joe says:

    Saint Francis wasn’t a priest, and maybe you should read on what he thought of the priesthood.

    • Tony says:

      I know very well what st Francis thought of a priest if he saw an angel and a priest he would first let the priest. I know too that he was probably a deacon, and I also know that his was a simple way of follow the poor Jesusunlike the pompous drag queen like, Burke. Even the Vatican had to tell him to tone it down. He is an embarrassment.

  23. Joe says:

    Concerned, your way of thinking is very protestant. Why do you want to take away at the beauty of our faith? When has cardinal Burke ever not speak the authentic catholic doctrine? You don’t like him because he holds dear to tradition?

    • Tony says:

      Joe Saint Francis and his followers, wear rags in honor of the poor Jesus and speaks authentic catholic doctrine they don’t have to walk around in high fashion ridiculous costumes that have no place in our world or culture, except to be laughed at.

    • Concerned says:

      Joe, it is you who take away, or at least cover up, the beauty of our faith. The beauty of our faith is Jesus Chrsit and the message Jesus gave us. You think the beauty of our faith is someone like Burke “donning the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades” People like Burke have misled people like you to believe that the ornate, obscene garb is the beauty of our faith. The Bishops have lost so much credibility because they are fast to condemn others while they are even faster at justifying the actions of Bishops and the Church when they are caught doing what is wrong. But Burke seeks power – so he makes all the noise he can. But until the Bishops get their own act together, they are just clanging gongs – a lot of noise but non meaning. You and a whole lot of people posting about this should re-read last weeks Gospel and pay extra close attention to all three readings for this weekend. Then tell me how my way of thinking is not in line with the message of Scripture and of Jesus.

  24. ben kulp says:

    Harry Truman ( Give’em hell Harry)said it best,” I don’t give ‘em hell” I just tell the truth and they think it’s hell!
    Go Burke Go ! ! !

  25. Joe says:

    Cardinal Burke, the liberal, heterodox, social justice catholics worst nightmare.you’ll always be hated for speaking the truth. Future pope let’s pray.

  26. Alice Kulig says:

    Cardinal Burke is a prince of the church, picked by the pope. He is a very holy priest who teaches the truth not only by example, but by the word. He is a canon lawyer…another words is on the supreme court of the church. You can say whatever you want…the truth will stand. As far as his wardrobe…he is a cardinal and that is what they wear. Judges wear robes in court. Thanks, Bishop Burke for fighting the good fight…he’s a real hero.

  27. Joe says:

    The ornate wardrobe reprents the regal priesthood of Christ, not the priest. There’s a real lack of appreciation for tradition. This mentality is more protestant than catholic.

    • Tony says:

      St Francis of Assisi, who is called the perfect image of Chisst wore rags in honor of Chist the poor man. I’ll take him over the drag queen Cardinal.

    • Concerned says:

      Joe, Jesus gave us an example of simple, plain and humble. Donning the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades” is not representative of the priesthood of Jesus. It represents a desire for power. It represents vanity. The mentality that the robes are important is more pagan than Catholic.

  28. Scott says:

    This man is the most pompous, most officious, most vain member of the American hierarchy. He has absolutely no credibility with me, and I would never attempt to model my life after him.

    • Jim says:

      Scott

      If you think Cardinal Burke is fundamentally wrong take a moment and read this “The souls looked very ugly, cruel and horrific. It was a fearful experience. I saw people whom I knew but I am not allowed to reveal their identities. The sins that convicted them were mainly abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, hatefulness, unforgiveness and sacrilege. The angel told me that if they had repented they would have avoided hell and gone instead to purgatory” from Father Jose’s after life story. IT is at http://www.frmaniyangathealingministry.com/story.aspx. Cardinal Burke is clear on church teaching which reflect God’s Will. It is very simple.

      • Tony says:

        Jim another one of you halutionation stories? I’ll stick with what the Gospels tell us Jesus said not some possible psycho.
        Burke is a pompous a hole.

      • Concerned says:

        Since when is Church teaching about “Donning the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades” Let’s face it, if the Vatican had to warn him to tone it dowon, it must be pretty bad. Burke’s words are hollow when backed up by this kind of behavior. This hardly reflects God’s will. And that is very simple!

  29. Concerned says:

    Those who are like Cardinal Burke and are caught up in the “wardrobe” portray a message that is counter to Christ. “Donning the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades” are in this for the wrong reason. Jesus not only did not wear any such “stuff” but would have said the money could beenfit the poor, the hungry and the homeless much more. The comment left by one person about spending more than $100,000 for vestments and other “stuff” brags in a vain way. I wonder how that person would have responded to John the Baptist who wore some strange stuff. The idea that God cares about that stuff is absurd. God cares about a heart that is opened to God’s love – not the clothes that are worn. But Burke and those like “Old Roman Collar” will never find that out. They continue to look for God in the “stuff.” Burke seeks political advancement in the church – obviously he wants “his importance felt.” If Jesus appeared in Church today in tattered, cheap, maybe even dirty clothes, would you even be open to recognizing him?

  30. awk says:

    Abortion.. Church says No, and the lay people must follow this because the Church is infalible on faith and morals.. this is a moral. However, I also struggle with the heavy handedness and broad brush that paints peoples 2 oposing views on hot button topices like abortion, gay rights, etc. I personally take the views of respecting the person because they’re in God’s image, letting the wheat grow with the tares, and remaining true to my own belief and calling to follow our Bishops, sacred scripture and traditions. We need to be careful not to become set in stone, and refuse God the ability to work in people’s lives. I read and see that a lot.. and work hard to avoid that myself.

  31. Joe says:

    JMJ, please don’t confuse sedevacantists and true traditionals. We accept vatican 2, but not the novelties that the liberal modernists try to impose on the church. Of course the latin mass, isn’t exactly what the first early christians celebrated. The first masses had to be simple and quick, since christians were always on guard. When christians were free to worship, the mass become more elaborate to fully offer God worship. As you said, the mass has been around for over 1600 years and is true catholic worship, not a mass manufactured by a committe, who’s sole purpose was to strip it off it’s catholic identity by it’s creator the accused mason Annibale Bugnini. God bless cardinal Burke

    • Concerned says:

      God desires open, humble, contrite hearts not holocausts, burnt offerings and sin offerings – but this seems to be missing from anything you say Joe. It’s all about what you pperceive as the “right” way. How can you ever be open to God?

  32. SJM says:

    All of this – the article, the blog comments – makes me so sad. The Church, both the hierarchy and the people, have gotten roiled in matters of politics and power. It is preoccupied with changing the world through public policy rather than changing human hearts. It is about debating opponents rather than loving neighbors. In the meantime, God’s children are starving on the streets.

  33. JMJ says:

    Have you noticed that the secular press will not use proper titles on Holy men or women, but will use the proper titles on those that are outside of God’s Will? Even though we don’t have a true president, only a dictator-in-charge, they will usually call Obama president. +JMJ+

  34. Old Roman Collar says:

    I have to say, cardinal Burke is a fine man, he speaks of the catholic faith, not some watered down statment like many others. Also, when you see a Traditional Bishop is real gold vestments and other very fine vestments of the Latin Mass, these vestments were paid for by people of the Latin Mass movement, not by the church, most of these things you find on ebay and were thrown a way after that wonderful Vatican 2, yeck!! Thank God for the Latin Mass, and many are attending it. out of 183 Diocese in the USA, 158 now have the Latin Mass. Oh by the way, I was one of those people who purchased over $100.000, in vestmnets, candle sticks, old missals, you name it for the Latin Mass,the Catholic Church didn’t purchased these items, we did. We want the Bishop and priests to dress like they are going to mass and not some folk song dance like from the 60-70- as they do in the NO Mass.

    • JMJ says:

      Old Roman Collar: you have your facts screwed up and thank God for giving us Vatican II, with the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, the same Gifts that the so-called Latin Mass people refuse to use or believe in. How many of the so-called Latin Mass people are right with God and His Church. Sadly, not many, as most of them refuse to accept the Popes since the 60′s. To call the True Mass a “no mass” is dangerous to your eternal life and it is amazing that your type call the Latin Mass “traditional”, when it has only been in the Universal Church for just over 450 years, about the same time that Luther went crazy. The Latin Mass was only used in Rome for the past 1500 years and it is NOT the Mass that Jesus or St. Peter gave us. Hate to pop your bubble, but the truth is the truth. +JMJ+

      • Old Roman Collar says:

        you have been fooled for 40 years my friend, I do believe in the Popes since day one, its the PPX that don’t. 1500 years of the Latin Mass, and only 40 plus of this mess we have now, it does not work with the younger people like me, thank God that that 60′s crowd is dying out, I would say that the ordinary rite will be the Extraordinary rite in 15-20 yrs, we are going like wild fire. you better ck you figures, you sound like that 60′s crowd too.
        The Vatican 2 bubble has been poped, and look at the mess we are in, those most lovley clown masses , folk masses, what next nude masses, so yes, I have seen them on youtube, thanks for the damage that your group brought to the church, also less vocations, the latin mass vocations are on the rise, just in our real catholic parish of latin mass, in less than 4 yrs, 5 boys to the seminary and one young girl to the convent, humm, how many NO parishes can say that in 3 yrs and we are only a small group of 700. good luck in the that “sing song mass” that why its called the NO mass, get it, Novus Ordo.its a ‘Priest centered mass, with the tabernacle to the side in most of your churches, and come as you are, shorts, tube tops, you will never see that in any Latin Mass church my friend, and also, you talk out loud in church where WE respect our Lord in both attire and in prayer, you better wake up and join soon, most of your Bishops are closing your churches where we are taking them over.
        Pax Vobiscum

  35. Florian says:

    As an expatriate American, the cardinal Burke opens himself to the charge of electioneering by providing play-by-play commentary on the US elections. He has no flock to guide, with the possible exception of the USCCB and its members, all of whom already hate President Obama and are “out to get him” — out! The principle of “reverse psychology” tells us that the more words spew forth from the cardinal’s lips, the more votes accrue to President Obama and his Catholic running mate, the Honorable Joe Biden.

    • JMJ says:

      Florian, not one of your remarks are true, which means that Cardinal Burke is right with God. “Honorable” Joe Biden is NOT a Roman Catholic, only a member of “pope” Ted Kennedy’s American “catholic” church. Catholics are out only to get people, including you and Hitler’s grandson; Obama, into Heaven, not hell, of which the so-called “democratic party” is heading for. As Holy Scripture tells us in Psalms 109:8 (NASB): May his days be few; May another take his office” and all we have to do is to add to his, Obama, and to another, Romney and we will be up to date. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED by you or anyone and He will give you His answer very soon. +JMJ+

      • Concerned says:

        JMJ – who gave you the power to decide who is Roman Catholic and who is not. You may use those initials, but I can assure you that you are not any of them and certainly do not embody any of their characteristics.

        • Charlie says:

          Concerned: A Roman Catholic is the one who follows Christ’s teaching handed down only to the Catholic Church. Dissedents are pretending to be Catholic. They are heretics.

          • Concerned says:

            You had better re-read some of your information about God’s revelation. You do not state the official Ctholic CHurch teaching by what you have stated. Does this make you a dissenter and therefore a heretic?

    • B.F says:

      What a vial person with little love in your heart. Hopefully God will soften your hardened heart.

    • Vin says:

      Wow, You’re not giving people much credit for having brains enough to make up their own minds. The USCCB is not “out to get Obama”. They are out to stop the intrusion on our religious freedom which Obama insists on imposing. I can’t imagine any real Catholic voting for Obama/Biden no matter what. Don’t forget, if you vote for an abortion advocate such as Obama/Biden, you are complicit in all they do.

      • Concerned says:

        Vin – if you vote for the person who treats people like commodities, cares nothing abou the poor, the hungry, the homeless, the sick then you are complicit in all they do. Or have you taken out the words of Jesus Christ concerning those matters. It seems Burke has removed them. Must be the work of Satan. I can’t imagine any real follower of Jesus voting for someone who gets richer on the backs of underpaid children in China.

  36. Jo says:

    God bless this wonderful Bishop.People still do not get it. As long as we destroy babies in their mothers womb our babies will die in the streets, hospital, etc.

  37. Tony says:

    Google pictures ob Burke in and you get him dressed in long outdated red robes and gold miter and gloves on a throne as though he were royalty. He looks and acts just like the religious leaders Jesus condemned who like places of honor, dress in long robes and Lord it over people.
    Hoe far different then the simple loving teacher of Nazareth, whom we follow who didn’t have a place to lay his head. He is one of the worst examples of the EVILS of clericalism.

    • TDJ says:

      You may attack his person however much you wish; he still says the truth many don’t want to hear.

    • JMJ says:

      Tony, When you learn about History and know of what you are talking about, then you will be able to talk sense. It is you that is “outdated”. +JMJ+

      • Concerned says:

        Really JMJ – you do not beieve that Jesus was poor? He did not condemn those who defiled faith with the practice of materialism, grred and power? Have you re-written Scriptures? Have you created your own Jesus? Or do you somehow believe you are the Savior?

  38. John-Carlos Dominguez says:

    Thank God for Cardinal Burke! We need more leaders like him in the Church. We also need God to open the ears and hearts of the people to the truth he speaks. Too many of the people have lost their way and are on the wide road of destruction.

    • Kermit says:

      I heartily disagree. I think he is a bigot and one of the worst examples we have of the INTRINSIC evils of clericalism.

      • TDJ says:

        You may attack his person however much you wish; he still says the truth many don’t want to hear.

        • Concerned says:

          but is he saying the “truth” only to jockey for position? A holy man would not be caught up in “donning the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades.”

          • Tony says:

            Unless he were a drag queen.

          • Marty says:

            You seem to be the one fixated on the clothes. Maybe you are the drag queen.

            You and everyone else are free to disagree with Cardinal Burke. But please, if you truly disagree with official Catholic Church teaching, do all of us a favor and leave. Ther are over 42,000 protestant sects started by just such as you and your ilk. Go keep them company and leave the Church to the true Catholics.

            • Concerned says:

              But your views Marty are not true Catholicism. Burkes actions and the “donning the most ornate regalia — long trains of watered silk, velvet gloves and elaborate brocades” means he has decided the words of Jesus are not good enough. If you follow Burke then it is you who need to find your new sect and leave the CHurch to the true followers of Jesus Christ.

      • JMJ says:

        Kermit: to attack one of God’s own is very dangerous to your soul. What you may think and what you know is absolutely WRONG. The Cardinal is a very Holy man that is not afraid to tell the truth. Maybe your love of evil is the true problem that you are facing and all you have to do is to ask Jesus to come into your little heart of stone and to give you a large heart of flesh. +JMJ+

        • Concerned says:

          Sounds more like JMJ projecting onto others about hearts of stone. Your comments reveal only a closed, judgmental, unloving heart.

 
 

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