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Roxanne Hemmelgarn was amazed Tuesday to find herself organizing a rally on behalf of nuns – one of many planned this week across the country.
A lifelong Catholic educated by nuns, Hemmelgarn, of Dayton, Ohio, always figured they would be the last people to need help. After all, she said, they run high schools, colleges, homeless shelters and multimillion-dollar hospital systems.
Yet she and about 100 other Catholics showed up outside St. Peter in Chains Cathedral Downtown with “Support our Sisters” signs to protest what they consider an unjustified Vatican crackdown on women’s religious orders.
The rallies are the latest sign of a deepening divide not only between many American nuns and the Vatican, but also between Catholics struggling to understand why two cherished institutions of their faith are at odds.
The dispute has its roots in the continuing debate over the meaning of the Second Vatican Council, which 50 years ago attempted to define the Catholic Church’s place in the modern world. [More]
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Quick note to all Catholics. To judge how Jesus views obedience, please refer to the Diary of St. Faustina. Many of you would be surprised as well as these nuns.
To judge how Jesus judges obedience I’ll refer to the Gospel and His total submission to the will of God. Notice how he treated and what he felt about the religious authority of His day.
The sisters need our support. The Holy See forgotten what the the church is all about to give voice to those without a voice the poor, the powerless, the gays, women. We need to stand firm on the side of justice, equality and democracy.
Thank you MJF. The sisters who support the voiceless need our support. Thank you again.
Ann — given your agreement with MJF, I withdraw my offer to buy you some sweet red wine.
I do not drink so I would never accept your offer.
Your judgments about women and their lack of equality in the church and life, and your name calling of others as heretics are also a big problem for me.
Okay, Ann — you’re right, we don’t share much in common, if anything. You are about to vote for the most destructive president in the history of this country — and I can’t be silent while the ship is sinking, and there are people like you driving it more quickly to a mirky death.
And, Ann, with regard to the equality of men and women: as the Church teaches, we certainly are equal in dignity. At the same time, also as the Church teaches, God prescribed very different roles for men and women. One of the primary reasons we have seen a gross cultural slide over the last 60 years is because the authority and headship of men has been denigrated. Remove that authority, and you can see the result: the familial and societal chaos we now have in the USA. Women are fools for shooting the pilot — they can’t fly the plane, only he can.
Women are certainly equal in dignity and they need to be equal in authority. Why not?
Two reasons, Ann: (1) because it was what God planned and intended; (2) because of God’s plan, he gave men and women different skill sets. To make women the heart of the family, he gave them greater interpersonal sensitivity, greater ability to switch from one task to another (as is required when raising small children), and made them more verbal, as language connects people. By contrast, he made men with deeper voices, taller and stronger so that they can get the attention of others more readily and follow through if necessary. It is an established fact that taller men are more likely to be in leadership positions than shorter men — but the same holds for women as well. Further, when men lead, they lead more authoritatively, while when women lead, they do it more democratically, seeking more input from others. This has some strength, but gets in the way of leadership when times get tough.
Napoleon and Churchill were short and quite successful. I would rather live in a democracy headed by a woman than an authoritarian state headed by a man? What about you? I think all depends on the person and the vocation to which God calls each one. St. Joan (although she may have been a schizophrenic) apparently was called to lead an army and St. Damien to minister to lepers. All calls to serve need to be taken seriously and not negated by saying only men should have authority and women exercise interpersonal skills. We will all be free when women are freed from these liminting categories. No?
Anne, you are so right on target. Thank you for being a breath of fresh air in this site.
Now Ann, I’m sure you could predict that I will not agree with you. The fact is, women actually are the ones who denigrate women’s roles. The evidence: they keep trying to usurp men’s headship and authorty, and by that very act, they imply that the female role assigned to them by God is inferior. I don’t think the female role is inferior at all, and women therefore should accept it and flower in it, rather than questioning God’s plans for them. Women, arguably, are potentially more influential than men, at least when they act like women and stay home and raise their children. When women act like men, they lose their power, and they also lose the respect of men.
Further, Ann, even if women were as good as men at leadership, we’d still have a problem: men never will be as good as women at linking people together, being the heart of the family. So, when women leave their children and go to work, they leave a vacuum — and without a doubt, their children suffer. Their husbands suffer as well. It has been empirically established that men who have stay-at-home wives are more successful in their careers than men with working wives.
So, Ann, this represents my final post for tonight. I have to get to sleep so I can get up early, attend Mass and receive my Creator in the Eucharist. Wishing you a good night. I’m sure we’ll be chatting tomorrow.
Absolutely not! The so-called “sisters” in the LCWR are nothing whatsoever when compared to Mother Theresa and her nuns. These fake sisters do not wear their veils, do not begin their day in adoration to the Blessed Sacrament, do not wear their veils or even wear a crucifix for that matter. Few of them live in convents and as far as helping the poor… how many of them spend their time protesting in support of the “occupy” movement or against pro-life Republican officials. So these fake sisters do not need our support, they need our prayers for conversion to the Truth. And, if they continue down this path of feminist heresy, they need a bell, book and candle from their bishops.
Andrew — as always, you are right on target. Today, as I was going through some mail, one piece was a request from some group of religious sisters for financial support for their various “social justice” ministries. I had a good mind to write to them and ask them if they favored female ordination (but I’m not going to do that). You can be sure of one thing, though — none of these groups of “fake sisters” will ever get my support again until they can demonstrate to me that they are first and foremost faithful to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.
God Bless you Jim. You are living the Truth as our Lord preached. Thank you for standing up for our faith as it is attempted to be rewriten by the ignorant CINOs (Catholics in name only).
Thanks for your support Andrew — and BTW, I did know what a “CINO” is — my God, this blog is populated by more CINOs than anything else!
Support a mob of radical femenism without any concern for the Catholic Church or its teachings? Common, who with their head on straight would support this mob of women, who are Nuns in name only. Do they even look like nuns? Hell no they don’t. They are only a rabble of women out to suck in the weak in spirit and align with their Communist pals, like Obummer.
What does a nun lookalike? What evolved into habits were the common widows garb or dress of the day.
Habits don’t make the Sister, or the Brother or the Religious priest.
Jim I think the invitation to follow Jesus is to pray and do God’s will (Matt 25:) Jesus did not come to support the local boy’s in power, The Pharisee’s believed they were correct as well. I’m not in support of revolution here however, Francis’s calllwas to re build the church, Luther and others had different ideas 600 yeras ago and today we have Anglican priest and the Theologies of Lutherans and others is not too distant from OUR own.
True, Joe, Jesus did not “come to support the lcoal boys in power” — but, He DID come to establish His Church, and He said He would build it on the rock of Peter, the first pope, and that the gates of Hell would not prevail against this Church built on Peter. He also gave the Church power to bind and loose sins. So, what Church is that? It is the RC Church. The gates of Hell not prevailing against the Church can be interpreted in more than one way, but one interpretation is that He never would allow the Church to fall into dogmatic error. I believe that, and therefore I follow all of the Magisterial teachings.
I doubt that you even know all the Magisterial teachings, forget your following them. You did not know know that the Orthodox Priests are validly ordained and you did not know that in certain circumstances you may attend a valid Orthodox celebration of the Eucharist. You don’t know everything Jim.
Tony — didn’t I tell you in another post within the last two hours that I never have claimed to know everything? You keep saying that I say I know everything, but you cannot find one post from me that ever has indicated that I believe I know everything. What’s wrong with your thinking, Tony? Can’t you think rationally?
You said at the end of your August 8 11:41 am posting that you follow all the Magisterial teachings I responded that was impossible as you did not even know the teachings oc the Orthodox and the Eucharist
So Tony, let me clarify for you then — you really should have been able to infer this from all of my prior posts — I follow all those teachings with which I am familiar. Before I would have received the Eucharist in an Orthodox Church, I would have consulted the RC Church. So again, I am not and never have claimed to know everything the Church teaches — but I am saying that, of all the things I do know the Church teaches, by God’s grace I accept them and try to live them out, albeit imperfectly.
But you know so little abot theology and it’s application and and pastoral application and yet you present yourself as the judge and jury of Catholic teacing and practice, you have a lot to learn my boy, a lot to learn.
“Boy?” Made me chuckle again, my blogging friend. Listen, friend, I have to go now — I have too many other fields that need to be plowed today. The earliest I will be back is this evening.
But, I did have to ask myself why it is so important to you to tell me that I know so little. Hmmm, let’s play armchair pscyhologist here — why would that be important for you to state that?
It should not take a pscyhpologidtto hep you figure ot that it is important for you to know that you knowledge, like all of our knowledge is limited. That may help you to be badger less, to be less judgemental, to condemn people with excommunication less and to lesson the times you call people heritic. Like all of us you have a lot to learn my bor
Y and it ain’t all in the catechism.
My typing is a little off today,
And Joe, with regard to knowing what is God’s will: I need to know His Will before I act, otherwise I might act at variance with His Will. How can I know His Will? By understanding that Church teachings are inerrant. Notice that these heretic nuns do things they say are in accord with God’s Will, and I do things that are in direct opposition to what they are doing. We can’t both be right (although, logically, you can’t exlude the possibility we both could be wrong). So, it is important to have a benchmark against which to compare our behavior. And, that benchmark is the Masisterium of the Catholic Church. Whenever these “sisters” are at variance with what the Church definitively teaches, they are in error.
Jim They call knowing God’s will a gift of prayer, discernment and spirtual direction and free will to choose.
Well, Joe, of course they have a free will to choose; but some most unfortunate people, exercising their free will, freely choose Hell for an ETERNITY for themselves. I think it was you who had mentioned to me about the importance of a good spiritual director. Why is an external party important? Because they can correct you when you are in error and you can’t see it. These heretical nuns are clearly in error, and they are now being corrected by the legitimate, all-male Vatican authorities.
If you click on the link to the source article, you will find the following: “We’ve finally come to a point where the Holy See is saying, ‘You’ve got to decide,’ ” he said. “If you want to be a Catholic, this is what you have to believe, and this is what you have to do.”
Perfectly said, sir.