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In a bid to end a decades-long split in the Catholic Church, the Vatican offered a conservative breakaway group a special status enjoyed only by the Opus Dei movement.
The offer came during a meeting on Wednesday (June 13) between the head of the Vatican doctrinal office, Cardinal William Levada, and Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). It was announced on Thursday.
The status, known as a “personal prelature,” would allow the SSPX to operate directly under the pope’s authority, without territorial boundaries.
The SSPX rejects the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), including church acceptance of ecumenism and its rejection of anti-Semitism. The group officially split from the Catholic Church in 1988, when its founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, ordained four bishops without papal consent.
Ever since his election in 2005, Pope Benedict XVI has tried to reconcile with the SSPX. In 2009, he lifted the excommunication of the four traditionalist bishops and started doctrinal talks with the group. Jewish groups were outraged after one of the bishops, Richard Williamson, turned out to be a vocal denier of the Holocaust.
According to the Vatican chief spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, before the SSPX can be granted a status within the church, it must sign a doctrinal agreement with the Vatican whose text has been under discussion since last September.
During Wednesday’s meeting, Levada submitted to Fellay the final draft of the agreement, and he is expected to respond “within a reasonable lapse of time,” according to a Vatican statement. “The ball is in their court now,” said Lombardi.
But the SSPX on Thursday hinted that a “new phase” of talks may be needed.
Divisions over a potential reconciliation with Rome have been growing within the SSPX in recent months, and will probably be addressed during the group’s general assembly in early July.
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Why, where’d Tony go? I thought for sure he’d have a rational, carefully-thought-out response to my posts. Oh, that’s right — they only way you can defend a flawed position is to lie. Apparently, Tony is unwilling to lie, and for that I will give him credit. He just won’t respond — wimpy, but it is what it is.
I offer the suggestion because if non Cathoics who maybe reading this see that expression they may get the idea we still use those midieval expession. You may say and do what you like but I really think you should take the enema suggestion seriously. Your too effin uptight.
An expression used in medieval times does not mean that it is not current. A heretic is a heretic. I bet if we consult Webster’s, we’ll find the term there in the 2012 dictionary. So, a spade is a spade. It gets a little uncomfortable when the light of truth shines on your statements, does it not, Tony?
Wow, go to dictionary.com, and you will see that not only is the word heretic still a part of our vocabulary, but it exactly describes pseudo-sister Farley and pseudo-priest Brohl.
1. a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church.
2. Roman Catholic Church . a baptized Roman Catholic who willfully and persistently rejects any article of faith.
3. anyone who does not conform to an established attxtxde, doctrine, or principle.
So, Tony, that’s three strikes, and both heretic Farley and heretic Brohl are OUT!
Thanks for helping me offer smoking-gun evidence that Farley and Brohl are heretics. I rest my case.
Now Tony, have some self-respect and dignity — if you’re going to respond to what I just posted, don’t resort to name calling like you did the other day. It just makes you look bad to anyone who is sincerely searching for the truth. Perhaps your liberal friends might like name-calling, but no one of substance will appreciate it.
It is not common practivce in today’s church, among the theologians, priests teachers Religios, deacons confessors and the laity to use the pejorative term heritic. Why you would want to label anyone is beyond me.
Very simple, Tony — a spade is a spade. The Church has been over-feminized — they are afraid of offending. As a result, many people (like you) are lost, don’t know the way to the Truth.
Please stop labeling people heritic the Church hasent done that for years…….next you ill be advocating the cutting out of the tongue of the person who doesn’t agree with you . Lighten up, loosen up, take a good enema and a walk in the fresh air. Be pastoral.
Tony — since you’re so liberal, I’m sure you’ll be in favor of the right to free expression — won’t you? Or, are you like so many of the other so-called liberals, who actually are fascists — it is their way or the highway.
And, I am being pastoral — but in a masculine way. You wouldn’t recognize masculine pastoring because the Church has been excessively feminized — many in the Church, perhaps unwittingly, capitulated to the anti-women’s movement of the late 20th century.
Tony — in reading the description of the group of which pseudo-priest / heretic Brohl is a member, called the Independent Roman Catholic Churches (http://www.sjxxiiichurch.org/tp40/page.asp?ID=68847), you will see that you’d fit right in with them. Why don’t you declare yourself to be in league with them, and quit trying to change the true Church to be more to your flawed predilections?
Watch it Jim you may be verging on heresy with your seemingly over scroupulous sense of sin and the mercy of God? Don’t forget it takes a serious matter, sufficient reflection and full consent of the will to commit a mortal sin. Not every objective act may be a mortal sin. People don’t go in an out of a love relationship with God as often as the flush the toilet. I suggest
T you take a few good courses in moral theology .
Tony, this is clear-cut — if you stand with heretic Brohl, you most definitely are part of the problem — not that I’m particularly shocked by that. Your master’s degree in theology means nothing — there are priests in Hell, and they presumably had more schooling in theology than you.
Sadly, he is going to let them in. They are going to give him troubles down the road. Tony is right on as is Fr. Jerry. Pope John XX111, John Paul 11 are turning over in their graves.
I applaud Benedict’s effort to reconcile with those who currently are not united with Rome. However, I would hope that he would also reach out to progressive reformers which he has adamantly refused to do.
He attacks progressives but invites & welcomes conservatives & traditionalists. There’s something wrong with that. Jesus would never do such a thing. The playing field is obviously skewed. No wonder there is no unity in the church. Conformity seems to be this pope’s idea of unity much like many of his predecessors with John XXIII being the most recent exception.
Father — you apparently are part of the problem. The “progressive reformers” actually are heretics — like heretic Farley, they often espouse immoral positions, like the acceptability of homosexual sex. Thus, they are not reformers at all, but rather doing the work of Satan in trying to subvert the Church of Jesus Christ. Of course, we have Jesus’ reassurance that the gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church, so these heretics (whom you call progressive reformers) never will be successful.
Wow, a quick Google search reveals even more than I suspected — “Father” Brohl is not a priest in good standing with the Vatican. So, using the designation “Father” is misleading, as most would interpret that mean a priest in good standing. Try this address: http://www.sjxxiiichurch.org/tp40/page.asp?ID=68847
Wow, that’s incredible — if you go to the link I gave in the post above, you will see that the group of which pseudo-priest Brohl is a member is in favor of optional celibacy for the clergy, and a broader acceptance of homosexuality. Indeed, Satan often comes disguised as an angel of light; in this case, as the pseudo-priest Brohl. Readers, beware of this man if you love truth.
One other comment — at the web address I gave above, you will see that heretic Brohl is the founder of this heretical group. They specifically deny many things held sacred by the true Church. Brohl is less Catholic than was Martin Luther. I am completely confident in predicting that his church will be around for another, oh ………. ten years — if that long.
What are you a self appointed vigelantee who goes searching for witches? Creepy.!!! And sick!
There you go, Tony — ad hominem attacks. If your position has any merit, why don’t you defend it? For example, why don’t you show me why Brohl is not a heretic? Or, why don’t you show me why a spade should not be called a spade. You have a master’s degree in theology, so certainly you should be able to argue your point rationally, not with personal attacks.
I have learned that it is not possible for me to argue well with anyone on this venue. I don’t have the talent or the gift and I don’t see the necessity.
Well, Tony, you should consider the possibility that the reason you can’t effectively argue your points is because you’re wrong. You should at least consider that possiblity. I have to leave for about an hour, so I won’t be able to respond right away to any subsequent post you might make.
If I were you, Tony, I’d quit the argument too — you are surrounded, and you’re hopelessly outnumbered.
You have nothing in your gun, Tony — it shoots blanks.
And, with regard to me being vigilant: indeed, that is a good characterization. A wolf (heretic Brohl) was on this site trying to lead sheep astray. If I can help prevent that, I will. Even one soul is priceless.
Mr. Brohl, my prayer on this feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary is that you see the light, soften your heart and repent before you choose Hell for an eternity. I wish Hell on no one, not my worst enemy.
The SSPX rejects the basic theology of today’s churc.h Why the Pope is wooing them while being so hostile to the faithful women of the LCWR is beyond me.
Greg — I almost choked on my food when I read your words, “faithful women of the LCWR.” That is an oxymoron.
Benedict is dividing the church more and more, he has reinstated the old latin mass, tore away at the spirit of Vatican II and bent over backwards for this ultra right conservative group.
Benedict would do well to fix his eyes on the unification of the Orthodox and Reformation Churches and leave this small splinter group of wackos alone.
Pope Benedict XVl is rather “restoring all things in Christ”. The “spirit of Vatican ll” bunch has only caused disunity in the Church. The damage, humanly speaking is irreversible. But with Christ and the spiritualy powerful SSPX the Church will see the New Springtime of the Church hoped for by Bl. John XXlll. The Holy Father needs the SSPX to help clean up the mess caused by the modernist “wackos”.
Thanks, Angelo — a voice of sanity among this rabble. As we can see from Father Brohl’s comments, priests can be part of the problem. These priests need to be disciplined; and they need to be honest — if they don’t agree with the Church, they need to leave. No priest at all is better than a heretical priest.
Update, Angelo — that should have read “pseudo-priest and heretic Brohl…”
Amen Brother Tony!!!!!!!
Actually, Tony, Pope Benedict is dividing the wheat from the chaff, just like Jesus will do at the end of time when he divides the sheep and goats. I pray that you come to your senses before it’s too late.