LCWR president ‘not sure’ of what comes next
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Franciscan Sr. Pat Farrell, president of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, told NCR on Monday she’s “not sure” of the best way for her group to continue its conversations with Vatican officials regarding their order that the group revise and place itself under the control of three bishops.
In a 10-minute interview, Farrell said Friday’s conversation with the LCWR board following a meeting with Vatican officials had an atmosphere of “sober attentiveness” as the group decides “our best way forward together in this.”
Farrell’s comments come just hours after LCWR, which represents some 80 percent of U.S. women religious, issued its first statement after the June 12 meeting between Farrell and St. Joseph Janet Mock, LCWR’s executive director, and Cardinal William Levada, head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and Seattle Archbishop J. Peter Sartain, who has been given wide-ranging authority of the sisters’ group.
That statement said while the Rome meeting saw “open” discussions between the four, it also was “difficult” because of “differing perspectives” the two sides have over the Vatican’s assessment of the group. For the full LCWR statement, see: LCWR: Vatican meeting ‘difficult,’ with ‘differing perspectives’ [more]
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It’s quite obvious that neither the vatican or these so called “sisters’ want any form of conversation. The vatican wants obedience to their rule, and the “sisters” want unrestricted free speech. Neither is allowed by the church. There women have given up their rites to any formal dialogue with the church. They have set themselves up as judge and jury of church doctrine. We all know the difference between a “nun” and a terrorist…you can negotiate with a terrorist.
Eileen — as an addendum, as I’ve posted previously: I once interviewed a “sister” for a position with an organization I headed, an organization that required all employees to support the organization’s mission, including taking a pro-life position in every case without exception. This “sister” told me she could not do that, as the ethics of her profession had to come first. I was shocked — I even told her, “Sister, that’s a mortal sin!” If you knew my background, I never would have believed I ever would tell that to a nun. I respected them — they did a great job educating me, and teaching me to love the Catholic Church. But, those were faithful nuns. Many religious women today are bad news, in my opinion. BTW — I did not offer a position to that “sister”, on the grounds of her immorality.
Your comments always seem judgmental and cruel in nature, Jim, and it always seems that you have funnel vision and can only see things in “black and white.” Why don’t we let The Creator judge! Being an immovable control freak and Know-It-All are not good personality traits.
Here’s why I do what I do, Shades of Gray: we are called to admonish sinners — that is the first spiritual work of mercy as taught by the Roman Catholic Church. I love the Church more than anything, and want to be obedient to it. So, I am just being a good Catholic. You, by contrast, apparently are a lukewarm Catholic — and if you want to know what God does to the lukewarm, see Revelations 3:16. While I don’t dispute that God, Who is all-just, will take all kinds of extenuating factors into account in judging us, nevertheless prior to admission to Heaven, we must be perfect (Matthew 5:48). So, perfection is not in shades of gray. Further, Jesus noted one cannot serve two masters: either you will love the one and hate the other, or hate the one and love the other. Being in the middle, in the gray zone is a dangerous place to be. If I seem cruel, I don’t think I’m any crueler than was Jesus when He flipped over the tables of the money changers in Jerusalem. And, just prior to that event, He cursed a tree that was not producing, causing it to wither to the ground. Was that cruel? I am not at all a control freak — it just makes me mad when I see some of what is posted here, directly contrary to God’s Will / the Church. With regard to being a know-it-all: if you know something I don’t, then tell me. Just make sure it’s accurate. I like learning from others.
Shades of Grey — if you want to know what happens to those who do not admonish sinners, read Ezekiel 33:7-9. If you don’t have a Bible handy, you can easily find that verse at http://www.usccb.org.
Also, Shades of Grey, if you want to get the advice of your Creator in terms of approaching those who are in error, see Luke 17:3. These are God’s words, not mine.
Eileen, some nuns have done even more outrageous things than those I’ve listed. For example, they pray to the god of Mother Earth (or something like that — I forget the details). This is why I stopped giving to any order of sisters about ten years ago, unless I am familiar with the order. For example, the nuns with EWTN, or the Nashville Dominicans deserve our support. But, to support these other groups is tantamount to giving money to the devil, as they are doing his work.
With regard to documentation for my last post: go to http://www.usccb.org, and you will see for yourself. That is the web address of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
Okay, Eileen, I’ll try to go easy. They are pseudo-sisters because they support heresies: that masturbation (accorording to pseudo-sister Farley) is almost never a moral issue; that gay sex needs to be respected, even if you argue that it is a choice (another assertion of Farley in her book, but she is by no means the only “sister” with this opinion; and opposition to the rightful authority of the Church hierarchy, including perennial insistence on women’s ordination. Heretics are not true Catholics; in fact, they are the exact opposite, and quite destructive, as they appear to represent the Church. And, the Vatican is not “incensed at them for having an opposing view of Obama care” — that’s not it at all. What it is are the foregoing issues.
Hey wait, what do you mean “heretics are not true Catholics?” Joan of Arc was burned as a heretic and is now a saint.
EWTN has done great work giving us priests like Ken Roberts, Fr Corapri, Monsignor Clark and other trouble makers who EWTN and company brought into our living rooms.
Tony — heretics are NEVER canonized saints. Joan of Arc may have been accused of being a heretic, but obviously she was not. These “sisters,” by contrast, are true heretics and most definitely never will be canonized — unless they repent.
With regard to Father Corapi: first of all, he was not an EWTN priest — he was a priest whose videotapes were shown on EWTN. That is an important difference. Second, Father Corapi’s teachings were faithful to the Church. One can listen to his tapes and benefit from them — in spite of his personal failings. By contrast, no one can follow these “sisters” and not grow further away from God.
Jim, why are they psuedo sisters? Because they don’t wear a habit? Because their ministry is to those in need? What is the scandal? I never knew of any wrong doing until the Vatican became insenced at them having an opposing view of Obama care (which I don’t agree with but am not scandalized by.) Please don’t suggest I leave the Church I love but don’t always agree with. Is that a sin in your judgement? I await your response and am trying to thicken my skin at this moment!
So, psuedo-sister Janet, let me make this real easy for you. There are only two courses available to you: either (1) be obedient and apologize for all the scandal you’ve caused, and all the souls you’ve led into sin; or (2) leave and start your own church.